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hello friends, 

i went to Chelsea flower show and smelled a rose. City of York bred and sold by Peter Beales. It was advertised as very fragrant, and it did smell lovely. I ordered one and is happy in my garden. Unfortunately, there is no smell. Peter Beales tell me that it can take 3 to five years for a rose to establish and increase its perfume. They can smell the perfume on the ones in the nursery,  But some can't, maybe it's my nose. I am to keep fingers crossed. Has anyone found their roses without perfume develop in perfume as time goes on.  They hope my patience is rewarded.

the question is Should I ditch it

Many thanks for your thoughts.



  • Torg22Torg22 Posts: 302

    Why would you ditch it?! Slighly off topic but we visited Peter Beales nursery a few weeks back. If you have not been and up in Norfolk its worth a visit.. lovely place.

  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 10,330

    There was a thread about a week ago on exactly this subject.
    I tried to search threads, but I'm unable to sort the threads by date, so cannot find it.

    Hopefully someone will point you in the right direction

    Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
    Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
  • Hi Torg22

    i grow roses for their perfume. I would not buy a rose without it. Please

    have you found that roses develop  perfume.

  • Thank you Pete,

    maybe someone will see the post and help me out.

  • nutcutletnutcutlet Posts: 27,166

    does it look right? are you sure you've got the right rose?

    Logic says it's very unlikely that when a scented rose flowers the first time it will not be scented. 

    In the sticks near Peterborough
  • Pete.8Pete.8 Posts: 10,330

    I have a group of Falstaff roses and I do find that sometimes they smell outstandingly strong and other times I can barely notice the scent.
    Below my bedroom window is a big star jasmine, on a warm still summer's evening the scent is overpowering and frankly too much. Other times I can hardly notice it.
    I think it's got a lot to do with temperature and conditions.
    Assuming the rose is what you think it is, I've no doubt the scent will come.
    I'm no chemist, but the scent comes from volatile oils in the flower, the warmer it is the faster the oils evaporate giving a stronger scent - a bit like warming a good cognac before enjoying image

    Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
    Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
  • Hi nutcutlet,

    it grows like and looks like City of York and it was purchased from the breeder, so yes I think it is.

    such a pity.

    Pete 8. I Will have a large cognac and give it one last feed. 

  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 83,998

    I agree with Pete ... it depends a great deal on temperature and conditions.  

    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.

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  • OK guys, you have convinced me, I will nurture it for another season. The only thing worrying me is that the Rose next to it is highly fragrant and they were planted at the same time.

    many thanks for your imput. Val x

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