Multiple identification help

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there are 2 plants I am trying to identify the first i have a flower from so hopefully won't be too hard to identify. The second I have cut back and there is no flowers and I don't know if it even flowers, it has long thorns i will post pics of both below.
here is the first
This is the second
Thanks guys.
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Rhododendron, mabye Baden Baden, and Pyracantha.
Pyracantha has pretty clusters of creamy flowers in Spring/ early Summer followed by berries, usually orange, but sometimes red or yellow in Autumn. Much loved by blackbirds.
thanks for the reply, looking at pics I think rhododendron is spot on, not sure about the second, I dont think it had berries on last year..!!
The close up pic of number 2 made me think of my chaenomeles japonica. I don't have a pyracantha to compare the difference. Had a google and they are very similar guessing on just the leaf and spines.
I'm probably wrong
. Just throwing another possibility into the mix 
Thanks kitty The second has thorns on it, looking at google I'm u sure it is chaenomeles japonica.
it's driving me crazy..!!!