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  • Mark56Mark56 Windsor, BerkshirePosts: 1,653
    daydaisy says:

    On reflexion I think that light is the biggest factor in bringing on the spring.  Winters are certainly warmer and possibly wetter than they used to be. It is a worrying thought that humans are responsible for this climate change. I wonder how this has affected wildlife such as the length of hibernation for some species?image

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    Oh, for sure - when I was at the rescue last year, we had hogs in trouble all winter long because it wasn't cold enough to trigger their hibernation instincts and at the same time there wasn't quite the quantity of food available to sustain themselves. This meant their balanced diet was reduced to slugs, which increased their chances of catching lungworm. 

    The extreme wet and flooding also brung about the destruction of their nests - meaning otherwise healthy hogs were scrambling around in daylight on a regular basis. 

  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Central Norfolk UKPosts: 54,607

    "Our" very easily identifiable hedgehog who visited us regularly for several summers, often brjnging youngsters with her, did not reappear following the very mild 2015/16 winter which seems to have caused a lot of difficulties for hibernating creatures. image

    “I am not lost, for I know where I am. But however, where I am may be lost.” Winnie the Pooh







  • My post from the previous thread on this topic, as my views haven't changed:

    "I am a bit of an amateur naturalist and a firm believer in human-accelerated climate change. I have yet to read or see anything that convinces me that warnings are exaggerated. No, I am not a professional scientist, but I am well-read and able to critically evaluate scientific opinion.

    I would argue that the relatively few scientists (97% of climate experts, that's over 31,000 of them, agree that climate change is a cause for concern - https://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus.htm) who deny climate change need to be a lot more transparent about their funding arrangements (http://www.davidsuzuki.org/issues/climate-change/science/climate-change-basics/climate-change-deniers/), as do the rent-a-quotes outside of the science community - http://www.campaigncc.org/climate_change/sceptics/hall_of_shame

    When I was a schoolgirl, over 30 years ago, they were talking about solar, wind and wave energy being the future as coal and gas ran out. It's disappointing that decades on, we're seemingly no less dependent on fossil fuels than we were then.

    Around the same time, there was a global effort to stop using CFCs. Now we are finally beginning to see the positive results of that ban (widely reported earlier in the year, e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/30/ozone-layer-hole-appears-to-be-healing-scientists-say). I think that this is more evidence that humans do have an impact on our environment, for good or ill.

    Sadly, we are already seeing the negative effects of climate change world-wide on human populations, in addition to the effects on the natural world. It tends to hit those who are in poorer regions, which is probably why it doesn't get reported as widely as it should (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/06/trump-world-climate-change-denial). Christian Aid, to name a non-environmental charity who has recognised it as an urgent problem, is campaigning hard on the issue - http://www.christianaid.org.uk/ActNow/climate-justice/the-science.aspx

    The final episode of the first series of BBC's Planet Earth is worth checking out and there have been examples all through the new series that illustrate the human impact on the natural world - increased desertification with extra plagues of locusts anyone?!

    I am deeply, deeply concerned - I would go so far as to say scared - of what four years of Trump / Pence will do to the planet."

  • AWBAWB Posts: 399

    What's Trump got to do with it, he is not responsible for the extra billion people on this planet.

    He already has a fridge, it's the billions of extra people who will buy them.

    It seems to me that people use the name Trump just to justify their opinion and get the Trump haters on their side. Stick to the facts or you lose credibility.

    What about VW, Trump didn't ask them to falsify the diesel emission, but he at least will punish them financially, unlike our government.

  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Central Norfolk UKPosts: 54,607

    Trump believes in a fictitious 'clean coal' and intends to promote coal fuelled power stations as the way forward image

    “I am not lost, for I know where I am. But however, where I am may be lost.” Winnie the Pooh







  • PosyPosy Posts: 1,567

    It is always the battle between the short term and the long term; the powerful global companies and the interests of the powerless. We need the most powerful people in the world, such as Trump, to speak and fight for the planet's long term interests and well being but, often, they only struggle to hold on to their own supremacy. However, Mr trump is not alone. Corporate greed and indifference brought us the crash of 2008 and individual greed and indifference has elected governments who take from the poor to give to the rich. NHS? Education? Care for the elderly or disabled? I don't see why I should pay for that. And I like my gas guzzling car. It's not MY responsibility.... Who said we get the government we deserve? Unhappily, so does the rest of the world.

  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 21,021

    Oh the delicious irony of Trump gold course applying for planning for a 7m high sand bank to " protect the course from rising sea levels due to climate change" 

    Fingers crossed it gets washed away.

    Devon.
  • mattsmatts Posts: 37

    With all due respect AWB, your argument is a strawman logical fallacy as i very much doubt that sparklesJD is suggesting that Trump has fathered 1 billion children.

    sparklesJD is well within her right to criticise Trump on climate change if some of his policies will increase fossil fuel consumption and, consequently, hasten man made climate change as most climatological models suggest.

    Before you paint me as a Trump hater, don't ! Although there are a number of policies of his that i disagree with, I respect him for trying to follow through with his manifest promises.

    Anyway, that's kind of off topic.

    Last edited: 14 February 2017 09:08:38

  • I'm talking about his denial of the evidence on climate change, his determination to put his corporate backers first, to make millions of Americans suffer the effects of poisoned water, deforestation and fossil fuels.

    Stuff like this, in fact, from the Alt National Park Service's Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/AltUSNationalParkService/

    "So much for clean water... President Trump has officially killed the Office of Surface Protection's Stream Mining Rule, as he signed legislation undoing the Obama era protection Thursday.Surrounded by lawmakers, coal miners and friendly coal executives, Trump blasted the rule as "another terrible job-killing rule" and promised to save jobs "especially in the mines, which, I have been promising you—the mines are a big deal."

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    (If you don't trust the source, Google it, it's not 'alternative facts' - if only).

    The first post on the White House website reaffirmed Trump's committment to putting big business ahead of environmental protection: "No part of the Mr Trump’s environmental document makes any mention of climate change or global warming – something that President Trump has in the past said was just a Chinese hoax. The only mention of the environment calls for “responsible stewardship of the environment”, but that refers only to keeping water and air clean.": http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-white-house-president-global-warming-climate-change-environment-a7538206.html

    And although this is not him directly, he's paving the way for others to repeal law that protects endangered species: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/02/15/the-endangered-species-act-may-be-heading-for-the-threatened-list-this-hearing-confirmed-it/?utm_term=.7dd09fcafbb0

    Even the bees aren't safe: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/02/15/trump-delayed-federal-protection-for-an-endangered-bee-now-a-group-is-trying-to-sting-him/?utm_term=.14434be55140

    You may thing its hyperbole, but it took years of work to get through the environmental protection legislation in the US, yet apparently mere weeks to tear it all down again. Urgent action is needed. Every country must work together, but if the US decides it's not going to do its part, other countries will use that as a reason not to take action either, that's why I'm genuinely terrified that four years of this administration will do irreparable damage to the planet.

  • If you actually read my earlier post AWB, follow the links, you'll find I have very much 'stuck to the facts', a whole postful of them, with reputable sources and everything.

    You attack me for one sentence at the end where I say I worry about the new administration, conveniently ignoring everything else - I wonder why...

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