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punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 13,282

NO, I am not starting this thread to start a punch up.

BUT, I was thinking whilst I was removing part of a large clump of C.lucifer, how times have changed.

When I planted the first clump 20 years ago, they were regarded as not completely hardy in the North. The original clump has been divided many times and they have survived some very harsh northern winters.

Is this climate change?

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for the fag ends of the aristocracy.

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  • The fact that they survived some severe winters merely proves that they are hardier than people once thought. The climate has changed, Lucifer hasn't.

  • I don't think there's much argument about global warming if you see the facts re the arctic circle ice melt, but, we still get drizzle at Christmas across much of the country, despite the films we used to watch and we get cold weather as 'the days grow longer', which fact was spoken about a century ago. However, re 'Lucifer' and many other plants I can think of, I think that a combination of our knowledge of where to site them and the plants' natural ability to adapt has allowed many things to establish themselves quite successfully in gardens. The number of plants available to us now is hugely increased from what even one as young as I am can remember (!), particularly when it comes to perennials, I think.


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  • B3B3 Posts: 24,505

    I don't dispute that what we do affects the climate but nothing stays the same

     There have been ice ages, and in more recent times, the big snow in the 60s and the drought in the 70s. Most Christmas days that I remember have been dry, sunny and often 'unseasonably' warm  - unlike the snowy Christmas cards. We can do our best to mitigate our contribution to the changes but volcanic eruptions etc can cause as much damage to the status quo as our own efforts.

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  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 13,282

    I was a doctor on an Arctic scientific trip in 2015 and all the experts there would agree with you. I was only there to see Polar Bears and Whales and hope I didn't have any work to do!

    There are ashtrays of emulsion,
    for the fag ends of the aristocracy.

    S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
  • The contribution of CO2 from volcanoes is less than 1% of that from humans burning fossil fuel.  This gives some perspective to the huge amount of damage we are causing, all by our little selves.

    A trowel in the hand is worth a thousand lost under a bush.
  • Invicta2Invicta2 Posts: 663

    I remember reading that Christmas Day was more likely to be "green" than white back in the 1960's before global warming was thought of, it appears to fall within a cyclical period of low pressure from the atlantic, wet but not cold.

  • BobTheGardener

    Citation, or this is pure armchair 'expertise.' And please don't tell me to 'Google it.'

  • NO punch-ups!


  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 28,852

    It has been measured.  There's an article about it by the Hawaiin Volcanic Observatory mob - and no doubt others.  I'm so glad I'm not downwind of a volcano emitting SO2!

    Earth's weather patterns have always been cyclical with mini ice ages and so on but those have been largely a result of the elliptical nature or our orbit round the sun and thus greater or lesser distance from the heat.   However, the past few decades have seen a relentless rise in average temperatures that is, amongst other things, having a devastating effect on ice flows in mountain glaciers and the ice cap at the North Pole.  This is leading to increased sea levels and more turbulent and frequent catastrophic storms.

    Having deliberately moved south to a new garden in order to experience a beneficial climate change for both my garden ambitions and my arthritis, I can't speak about the effects on plants here as I don't know them yet but I do know there was a very long and unusual drought here from mid July to the end of October after a cold wet spring and that, according to our farmer neighbours, has made life difficult for both his beef cattle and the crops he grows to feed them through winter.   He's had to carry food and water to the fields 6 weeks ahead of normal.

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  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 13,282

    I agree H-C. I was wary about starting this thread, knowing the problems we have had in the recent past, but I am genuinely interested to find out how the people with the opposite view to mine explain their logic.

    There are ashtrays of emulsion,
    for the fag ends of the aristocracy.

    S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
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