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Tallish Self Supporting Perenials

Hoping for ideas and suggestions.

I have a 14ft high wall that runs almost exactly North / South and it gets full sun up to midday then its plunged into shade for the rest of the day.

Moist but well drained soil.

I'm wanting to plant a variety of taller (2 to 4ft) self supporting perennials along this wall but I don't want these plants to take up more than say 12" of the ground space from the walls base.

Hoping for a riot of different colours throughout the year and if at all possible bee and insect friendly.

I already have Foxgloves in and some much smaller spring bulbs and wild primrose. The area 3mtrs up to the wall is a veg patch and every other year will have brassicas and perhaps potatoes  alternating with onions, shallots, garlic etc etc.

In addition there is already four Golden Hornet Crab Apple trees being espaliered along the wall.

Strong Self supporting is important as I don't want them to be time consuming in this area of the garden. 



  • CeresCeres Posts: 2,528

    Self supporting kind of depends on the wind in your area. Most plants over a certain height need some sort of support or the first gale of the season will flatten them.

  • Wall is largely sheltered and facing eastward and is sheltered from the predominantly south westerly weather.

  • Looks good to me, thank you i'll be looking for some of those.

    Any Reds or Yellows?

    It's a cottage garden and largely without a formal layout or rigid colour design.

  • Does anybody have any experience with Sanguisorba officinalis "Greater Burnet"?

    Is this a self supporting candidate?


  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 86,169
    A bed 12" wide at the base of a wall is not a promising site for anything of any size. Anything planted there will need far more care and attention than plants in a wider bed. The foot of a wall will be in a rain shadow and susceptible to swirling buffeting gusts of wind. A wider bed will allow for mulching which will retain moisture. It will also allow for denser planting so the plants can support each other.

    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.

  • Thank you Davefromabove.

    Agree with all your comments but this area is a part of a veg patch that I'm wanting to keep as a veg patch. I don't want to give up any of it, well not a lot for flowers as there is ooooodles of room for flowers elsewhere devoted specifically to flowers.

    Just trying to make a high wall a little more interesting. Wanting to add a little colour above planted brassicas if at all possible without encroaching too much into what is primarily a veg patch.

  • B3B3 Posts: 26,570

    Can you grow beans in front of it instead?

    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • Beans, every year!?

    Vegetables are rotated each year, so they'll be different vegetables each year.

    Rows of veg are grown at 90 degrees to the wall not parallel to the wall.

    Beans don't add any additional colour for any length of time. Well not much and not for long.

    Runner Beans perhaps but I don't want to cover / hide the crab apple trees. An interesting thought though if there is a dwarf variety!

    Found a Dwarf runner bean but at a height of 10" to 18" these would be far too low in height as most brassicas are taller than this when getting to full size.

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