Two plant ID's
Hello all, can anyone tell me what these two are. I originally thought they were the same plant but at this time of year it's obvious that the leaves, and flower colour are different. The second photo shows the back of the leaves as they're quite distinctive. Both have formed a scruffy shrub approx 1m high. Many thanks jandh


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Meant to say I thought they were Caryopteris but the flowers don't have the long stamens that Caryopteris has.
They looks like a teucrium flowers, probably T. fruticans. Are you sure they're not 2 cultivars of the same species
In the sticks near Peterborough
No, not caryopteris, very different flowers and stems
In the sticks near Peterborough
They could be 2 cultivars of the same species, they're growing as two separate shrubs. The first one seems quite lax the longer the stems get, the second is ever so slightly more upright and the leaves and flowers are much darker. They've both just started flowering if that helps.
There's nothing I can think of apart from teucrium that has flowers that shape and T fruticans is the only shrubby one I know.
In the sticks near Peterborough
It isn't Teucrium as I think that's Germander and these two don't have any scent from the flowers or the leaves. Don't let me down nut, I'm beginning to panic now
Don't panic. Not Teucrium germander, T.fruticans, a very different plant
this one
https://www.rhs.org.uk/Plants/74406/Azure-tree-germander/Details
Take no notice of the RHS calling it tree germander, they should know better. The plants is called Teucrium fruticans.
In the sticks near Peterborough
In the sticks near Peterborough
Just looked it up and you're right about the second one, it's definitely Teucrium fruticans, thanks Nut. Still confused by the first though as I've searched all the Teucriums I could find online and none match.