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Hi, I will be getting some clematis soon - from the free clematis offer in the Feb issue- I have only a few choices of where to plant - a north aspect- shaded and exposed to N/E wind - against my back fence or near the shed or south facing but also exposed- but more out of the wind. Will I be able to grow these at all? I would not have thought of growing these myself but want to try at least. Not too concerned about soil- its not great so will plant them up in large pots. Any ideas appreciated.
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  • FairygirlFairygirl west central ScotlandPosts: 35,156

    If it's the ones that others have received, they'll need potted into small pots ( 3 inch - 7 to 8cm in new money! )   and grown on, and potted on again for a year before planting out.  They're tiny.

    If you have a difficult site, you would probably be better buying specifically for it, unless the ones you're getting are suitable. Take a look at Taylor's Clematis online site, and you can find out more about the ones you're getting - assuming they're named varieties. image

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  • Hi,

    Fairy girl- I don't understand what you mean by smaller pots in 'new money'?

    As for the size etc- I am quite happy to get anything for free and think it is nice actually to have something I would not have bought myself. Plus, I don't live near a garden centre so it is something I appreciate.

    I could buy for a specific site- again, I cant get around to do this and again I will have to work it out- my garden is a challenge anyway so I am working with it.

    Wow you are really negative about the offer! Yes of course they are named varieties- have you looked at the offer yourself?

    I wasn't asking about soil anyway- as I said just wanted some advice about aspect and conditions.

    As for potting up- yes they do fine in pots even for the roots- I have asked about this - I do intend to use large pots- but thank you for the advice about the roots and the shade- however about the exposure and strong wind?

    Will take a look at the Clematis Society website.
  • ObelixxObelixx Vendée, Western FrancePosts: 22,251

    Inches are old measurements.  Cms are "new money".

    I don't think anyone is being negative about the offer, just pointing out that the clems will be too small to cope with life in the border and should be grown on in pots till they have developed a decent root structure.  

    Clems which are planted out too small are easily scoffed by slugs and snails or accidentally hoed.   It is also advisable to plant clematis deep so they produce better roots and more shoots.  You can only do this once they've reached a certain size so they need growing on in pots anyway.   They need plenty of food and water to thrive too so good soil preparation is essential as is subsequent feeding and watering for strong flower production.

    There are specific clems which suit shady sites.  Others need more sun and some need more shelter to thrive.  You can look up by name the ones you are getting on this website to see if they will suit your intended positions - http://www.clematis.hull.ac.uk/new-clemalphasearch.cfm   It will also give you their pruning group for subsequent care.

     

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  • FairygirlFairygirl west central ScotlandPosts: 35,156

    Wasn't being negative Begonia - sorry if you took it that way. I'm just a realist. Sometimes these offers are  misleading and offer just a general range of plants. There are numerous threads from disappointed customers because offers tend to make things look bigger and better than they often are. You mentioned that your site is exposed and windy - many clematis won't do so well in that kind of situation which is why I suggested looking at the specialist growers. If you're prepared to wait and look after plants then - yes - these offers are fine. image

    I think obelixx has clarified it all perfectly. image

    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....


  • The 4 clematis plugs offered free, 4cms., ( £5.65 carriage ) are miniscule by clematis standards and all have different  planting, pruning and feeding requirements.

    Best to ask the experts who are sending the plugs to give you some cultural advice for each specific cultivar.

  • Ok Ok I get the point.

    None of you has answered the question- I did say that I was growing them in pots- so skip that comment- and about the size of the things- again I said I will pot them- skip that comment- I said I wasn't bothered by the soil in my garden because I was putting them in pots- i.e with the right soil- skip that comment- why do I need to look at specialist growers to find a plant that will grow in an exposed place? Do specialist growers offer clematis that only grow in the wind? I hardly think they would - skip that comment. The free plants are small- and? what do you want for free? And it is a rather ungrateful attitude to the nurseries that are supplying the plants- including postage. Its my first time on the forum- will skip it - maybe worth while to read what I wrote before making a random comment.
  • LynLyn DevonPosts: 16,575

    I live in a wild windy exposed place, can't grow them at all, the only one that does any good at all is in full sun. incidentally they weren't free, our garden centre has little beauties for sale at one pound each. 

    You will see how they turn out, after you've kept them for a year or two, have you got a greenhouse or conservatory to keep them in.

    Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor. 

  • FairygirlFairygirl west central ScotlandPosts: 35,156

    Hmmm. You've asked questions Begonia - and people have kindly offered advice based on their personal experience. If you don't like the advice feel free to ignore it of course  image

    Richard has more experience than most of us. He has a clematis nursery and a national collection. image

    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....


  • LynLyn DevonPosts: 16,575

    Are the 'experts'  who are selling these tiny plants T&M by any chance?

    i am not sure you will get very good advise from them. Could be wrong though, but I think they are very expensive for what they are.

     

    Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor. 

  • RedwingRedwing Posts: 875

    Calm down Begonia......as Fairygirl says, you asked a question.  I agree, by the sound of things, the plants are very very small indeed.

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