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stoopid question time

Bearing in mind my recent discovery of a gooseberry poking out of a corner of brambly stuff, very close to my also-recent discovery of a tayberry amongst brambly stuff. And also bearing in mind that there seem to be various roses (inc climbing and rambling) scattered around. If a spiky stem has neither forming blackberries nor flowers on it, exactly how does one tell if a spiky stem is a bramble or a rose?  

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  • nutcutletnutcutlet PeterboroughPosts: 26,553

    send us a pic? 

  • PeterE17PeterE17 Posts: 129

    stoopid answer time ... many rose thorns  have an oval base so the thorn looks like it is 'floating' on the stem and will break away easily. Bramble thorns are more integrated into the stem. Rose stems are round mostly, some bramble stems are squarish with flat or even concave sides.

    Brambles and roses have different growth habits and patterns, but I would imagine that won't help you at the moment.

    Then there are the leaves, which are utterly different. The ol' net has some pictures no doubt

     

  • fidgetbonesfidgetbones Posts: 16,153

    Stupid question. How do you get the moving emoticons?

    You don't stop doing new things because you get old, you get old because you stop doing new things. <3
  • PeterE17PeterE17 Posts: 129

    Just thought, if the stem has no leaves it is probably dead.

  • nutcutletnutcutlet PeterboroughPosts: 26,553

    They'll both still have thorns even if they're dead and even more painful to put through the shredder image

  • fidgetbonesfidgetbones Posts: 16,153

    Thick gloves, nut.image

    You don't stop doing new things because you get old, you get old because you stop doing new things. <3
  • nutcutletnutcutlet PeterboroughPosts: 26,553

    very thick fb. they get me round the backof my legs, on my head, everywhere. 

  • fidgetbonesfidgetbones Posts: 16,153

    My garden fights back too.image

    Still it did get the thieving burglar who left his blood and DNA behind.

    You don't stop doing new things because you get old, you get old because you stop doing new things. <3
  • fidgetbones wrote (see)

    Still it did get the thieving burglar who left his blood and DNA behind.

    Result. image

     

  • PeterE17 wrote (see)

    stoopid answer time ... many rose thorns  have an oval base so the thorn looks like it is 'floating' on the stem and will break away easily. Bramble thorns are more integrated into the stem. Rose stems are round mostly, some bramble stems are squarish with flat or even concave sides.

    Brambles and roses have different growth habits and patterns, but I would imagine that won't help you at the moment.

    Then there are the leaves, which are utterly different. The ol' net has some pictures no doubt

     

    Thanks for the info re stems and thorns. Re leaves looking utterly different, you mean like this?

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     Not that different really? (not surprising seeing as they're part of the same family...)

    Just worried about throwing the baby out with the bathwater when clearing thorny areas.

    Also found this on a website : Bramble can also be confused with rose (Rosa spp.), which like bramble has five petals, compound leaves, and thorns, but bramble lacks the distinctive stipules at the base of the rose leaf. " so am now on the lookout for stipules image

    Fidgetbones, the moving emoticons are from www.cosgan.de/smilie.php - just cliock on the one you like then copy and paste the text from the box at the bottom of the page  

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