Full sun fragrant climbing rose

BluebootsBlueboots Posts: 100

I've sprayed glypohsate over everything in a herb patch in a semi-circular bed front of my house (on top of the patio) to get rid of couch grass. I put a bin liner over the climbing rose, and while all the other things are dying well the rose is OK.

However, it has finally dawned on me that the climing rose isn't actually a climbing rose. I've let it go long and leggy next to a fan shaped trellis on the wall behind, but it doesn't actually climb. I'm going to pull it out and put it in quarantine in a pot, and plant another rose in it's place.

The wall is rendered white and faces due South, it's sheltered and hot (well as hot as it gets these days). The bed is shallow but wide and will be full of herbs once I take all the dead weeds out.

I'd prefer a yellow or red rose, but the most important thing is fragrance - I want a really smelly rose. The house is a bungalow so I don't want it to climb too madly - and I don't want it to damage the wall - I don't know how climbing roses climb.

In my last house I bought an Albertine for fragrance. It was nice, but had no smell whatsoever image.

What do you think?

 

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  • artjakartjak Posts: 4,168

    Albertine are supposed to be the most fragrant rose! Are you sure it was that?

    As to planting a new rose in place of the one you have, you have to be aware of 'rose repeat disease'. One of the ways around it that I saw on a TV prog is to plant new rose in a cardboard box, in compost, then plant the whole of the box in the ground. By the time the rose's roots grow through the box the danger of the disease is past. I don't quite know how this works but apparently it does. Or you have to sterilise about a cubic metre of soil before planting.

    A good rose for climbing only as high as the support is Compassion; big pinky/yellow blooms, I think it has a fab scent.image

    I have a few metal eyelets that I have attached to the wall of the porch using rawlplugs and then wired the rose onto them.

  • BluebootsBlueboots Posts: 100

    Yep - it was definitely labelled Albertine, and it looked like Albertine, but was completely fragrance free.

    Thanks artjak, I hadn't heard of 'rose repeat disease'. I don't know how to sterilise soil in-situ (or anywhere else for that matter), so planting in a cardboard box sounds like a good move.

    I'll go to the garden centre and see if they have Compassion.

    When I was a kid, the three story house on the end of the terrace had the most magnificent rose climbing right to the roof. It was white and had masses of blooms which were intensely fragrant. The blooms held their shape too, the lady that lived there used to give my mum some for the house.

  • artjakartjak Posts: 4,168

    BB, the good thing about Compassion is that it usually flowers from late May until early December. Will post pics of mine later, it hasn't started flowering yet because of the cold weather.

  • JengilJengil Posts: 35

    I don't know much about specific varieties, but climbing roses tend to be less rampant than ramblers and are good for a lower wall or fence. I think Albertine is a rambler.

  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 10,675

    For a yellow rose, try Graham Thomas or Teasing Georgia from David Austin.  Both are short climbers and will need the support of either a trellis or wires.  They will repeat flower, have good perfume and be disease resistant.   DA also have red roses so go and look at their website.

    You can get round rose repeat disease by simply digging out a big hole at least 60cms wide and deep and filling it with fresh soil beefed up with good garden compost, well rotted manure and some slow release fertiliser such as blood, fish and bone or pelleted chicken manure.   Make sure you plant the new rose with its graft join a couple of inches below the surface and keep it watered until it is fully established.

    The soil you excavate will be fine for othher plants but depleted of nutrients as roses are very greedy.

    The Vendée, France
  • BluebootsBlueboots Posts: 100

    I think you're right Jengil, we grew the Albertine along a fence and it was certainly prolific - just fragrance free.

    I looked up the three you all recommended and was torn between Graham Thomas and Compassion. Then I found the David Austin UK site and fond it difficult to tear myself away!

    I think I'll have a nice time drooling over the roses there, then make my mind up whether I go for Graham Thomas or Compassion. I prefer yellow, but I like the sound of your Compassion artjak.

    Thanks too for the planting advice obelixx. I'm new to a lot of aspects of gardening.

  • DiggerSeanDiggerSean Posts: 52

    As suggested removing current soil is advisable and for roses I would also use mycorrhizal fungi such as rootgrow, it will get your new rose off to a flyer. Climbing Crimson Glory is a good red with strong scent.

  • artjakartjak Posts: 4,168

    The Compassion I had in London, 2 in fact, were apricotty/ yellow. The one I have here in Norfolk is slightly pinker; though it may be because the light is different/ the air is cleaner? It could be that every grower has a different strain of the plant.image Will do pics tomorrow, sun should be shining; though no blooms yet.

  • hollytreehollytree Posts: 35

    Albertine doesn't have any fragrance.  My husband wasn't pleased when I planted ours over our arbour as he can't see the point in flowers that don't have a nice smell!  The best red roses for fragrance are 'Guinee', a very deep almost black rose that apparently has the best smell of any rose and 'Etoile d'Hollande' a good crimson that will cover a good sized space and takes a hard cutting back if necessary.

  • BluebootsBlueboots Posts: 100

    This is mouthwatering - I think I'm going to have to find space for more roses image

    I agree with your husband hollytree, I do grow flowers that don't smell, but only when there isn't a fragrant option.

    If I'm walking along the road and see roses I can't avoid sticking my nose in one to see if it smells nice. That's nearly got my nose stung a couple of times but I can't kick the habit.

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