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  • Gold1locksGold1locks Posts: 498

    Daffygardener, good timing! The EU has just (today) approved the banning of three neonicotenoids, ones that are used on a commercial scale such as imidacloprid. The active ingredient  in Provado Ultimate Bug Killer and Vine Weevil Killer (thiacloprid)  is not affected by the ruling, so the big volume users have been tackled, and gardeners still have choices available to them.  

  • The EU has voted to SUSPEND the use of neonicotinoid pesticides, not ban them outright, this is so an unbiased investigation may take place to find out if they are having the effect on bees that has been stated.

    I try to garden as organically as possible, but for some things it is far easier to use chemicals.  If I didn't use glyphosate I'd be fighting a losing battle with the brambles.  It would be nice if the dyed-in-the-wool orgasmic gardeners on here (sorry, that's the word we use in our house in place of organic - I'm going to have to stop that with two pairs of little ears listening in), suggested an organic alternative, instead of slating those of us who choose to use chemicals.  I'd love to be able to use something to get rid of the brambles instead of glyphosate, but unless an organic gardener on here would like to come over to my house one weekend and help me dig the buggers out, which is by far the best way to get rid of them completely, then I'll have to use glyphosate to try to keep them under control, just to stop them spreading and making the problem even worse.

    Until someone comes up with organic ways of dealing with certain things, that are as good as the chemical methods, I will be using chemicals.  I did contact an organic gardening company to see if ladybird larvae would be any good at clearing up an infestation of wooly aphid, they said for a bad infestation use a pyrethrum based insecticide, which is apparently OK, as it's plant based.  But an organic company saying 'use this pesticide' made me grin wryly!

  • Gold1locksGold1locks Posts: 498

    More specifically, they have suspended the use of them on certain crops. they can be used on crops that do not attract bees, such as cereal crops. They cannot be used on rape , poppies, etc.. 




  • jatnikapyarjatnikapyar Posts: 419

    I am 70 in May and have lived here for 50 years. I thank my fate for bringing me here, and have made the UK my home for just ONE reason-FREEDOM OF CHOICE.

    It made me feel very uncomfortable to read this posting.There are some autocratic people who want to force us to do what they feel is right-period.

    This is a forum to stimulate discussions and opinions. Please, can we be a bit  more sensitive of other members feelings.image

  • pr1mr0sepr1mr0se Posts: 1,178

    With perfect timing, I looked at a large tub of heucheras and primulas yesterday, and, deciding that they really didn't seem to be thriving, decided to dig them up and repot them individually.  The reason they weren't thriving was painfully obvious - hundreds of pesky VW grubs had chomped through the roots!  I salvalged a few bits that had what may prove to be viable roots still attached, and drenched the new pots with Provado.  I then turned the soil over in the tub and spread the grubs out on a tray, much to the delight of Mrs Blackbird, who clearly has a hungry brood to feed.  The residual tub of compost, doubtless still infected with some grubs etc.  was also given the drench.

    As I type this, there is an item on the news about the decline in bees, and the possibility of the link with certain pesticides.  Now, when I took the action that I did yesterday, I hadn't realised that neonicitonoids and Provado were effectively one and the same.  I shall think long and hard before considering its use again should I see the need. 

    For once I do find myself in agreement with the European proposal for a suspension of the use of these products while further research is carried out.  But experts don't seem to be able to agree, so I hope they really do crack on with the research and find the answer.


  • Thank you to Pamela for asking a timely question on VW and their larva, all for contributions and to Jatnikyapyar for putting more plainly what I was thinking. BUT - Pamelas queston was - would the problem of VW be spread if the soil was spread out? Not asking for a heated debate on the merits or otherwise of pesticide use, although that is a topic which can run and run....................................!

    I feel that there are likely higher concentrations of VW and their larva in pots as there is a better temperature and conditions for their lifecycle and to thrive.  There also appears to be less predators than plants placed in open ground. The adults are very difficult to see in compost unless they begin to move, touch one and they fall over and play dead, the grubs are relatively easy and they are to ones that do the damage to roots.  Will Pamela spread the problem? - possibly, but if the soil is laid out as others and Shrinking Violet has done, and retire to let the birds loose on it - any spread will be limited.  There are likely to be VW in other areas of your garden, if you find them in pots.  Go for what ever control method you feel is appropriate for your situation, in my opinion.image

  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 82,726

    Goldilocks - I really am sorry imageimage if my comments came over as patronising or bullying - I apologise - it was absolutely not my intention - a lot happening and a lot on my mind at the moment and I'm possibly not re-reading my posts as carefully as I usually do - but that is no excuse.  

    What I had intended to do was to point out that one application of Provado to the soil is now thought to poison the pollen of the plant - but I should have been more careful how I said it.  I am sorryimage

    I do feel feel pretty strongly about pesticides - I grew up on a farm in the 50s and 60s where there was so much wildlife - ponds teaming sticklebacks and with spawning frogs and toads at this time of year, slow worms and grass snakes in the banks and barn owls calling every evening.  Then farmers were told to use pesticides on their crops - in those days there were no precautions whatsoever - surplus spray from the tanks would be washed out into the ponds and the ditches - within a few years they were dead and full of anaerobic sludge,no frogs or toads, no barn owls, no skylarks .... I saw it all happening before my own eyes but as a child no one listened to me....

    perhaps I became that ten year old again jumping up and down and shouting.... I'm sorry image

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  • Gold1locksGold1locks Posts: 498

    Many thanks, Dovefromabove.imageimage I do think it's great that we can discuss these big issues on the board, and because we can hold such passionate views it can get a bit heated at times. 

    In isolation your posting wouldn't have bothered me in the slightest ( I read your links!) , but  I was already rankled by an earlier posting implying that I was "into killing bees" and thought, "here we go, is this the beginning of a nasty squabble." with boarders I really don't want to fall out with, and wondered whether the "less organic / less passionate / more pragmatic" boarders would keep their heads down so that the discussion would be very one sided, distorting the picture for the many visitors to the site who read but do not post messages. I was quite relieved to see some later contributions that provided some balance. 



  • pr1mr0sepr1mr0se Posts: 1,178

    How nice to read the above two posts - veritable peace breaking out!  sometimes it does seem as if people want their view to supersede all others, and it can make a board a pretty uncomfortable place.  I thought hard before I posted, but I think overall there's a good balance of opinion.

    Incidentally, (and also with prescient timing) we have visitors staying with us from Canada.  Where we grow vast acreages of oilseed rape, they grow canola.  The seed is treated in the same way ie with neonicotinoid before planting, and there is, apparently, no problem with large numbers of bees dying off.

    As I said upthread - let's hope that the experts can really find an answer - soon!

  • Gold1locksGold1locks Posts: 498

    Apparently Australia has been treating crops with neonictinoids for the last ten years and their bees are as healthy as ever.

    Th British Beekeepers Association says it doesn't think the restriction should have been introduced as it fears that farmers will use chemicals that are known to be harmful to bees, but hope that the 2 year restriction will resolve the question one way or another. 

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