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  • Bunny ...Bunny ... Posts: 3,471
    I'm sure like everything everyone has their own opinions image
  • ObelixxObelixx Vendée, Western FrancePosts: 24,372

    As with any institution be it religious or governmental, there is good and bad.  Unfortunately, while there are no doubt good Catholics who live good lives, the Church has a long track record of centuries of bigotry, dodgy politics, cruelty and repression.   Recent revelations about exporting of children to the colonies, locking up and abusing women in the Irish Republic and the sex scandals around the world are cases in point.  This pope was deeply implicated in early sex scandals and preferred to cover up than deal with the problem.

    I can well understand the earlier poster's anger if they have suffered through anything the church has done.  I can also understand deep scepticism about the amount of wealth the Church hoards but feel myself that all those magnificent buildings are our joint heritage and are worth preserving as testament to the ingenuity and skills of our forebears.   They don't, however, need all those grace and favour residencies, fancy frocks or limos.  

    World poverty will not be solved till all politicians and business people are free of greed and corruption - pie in the sky really but getting better in some quarters though progress is slow in others.  Just look at all the bribery and 'lobbying' that goes on in US politics and all the lobbying in national parliaments and the EU and the diverting of international aid to the third worl to private swiss bank accounts.

    Let this pope retire and look to his conscience.  Let the Catholic church elect a modern, forward thinking pope who will recognise the equal humanity of women and gay people.  Some hope I expect.

    More importantly, let everyone recognise their own responsibility for their own moral behaviour within their family, social and national circles and not seek to hide behind religion and divine absolution.   And yes, gardeners are practical, pragmatic, optimistic and patient people and we could do worse than require our leaders to be gardeners too.  It would do wonders for their hubris and teach them humility.

     

     

     

    "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." - George Bernard Shaw
  • SwissSueSwissSue Posts: 1,447

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  • nutcutletnutcutlet PeterboroughPosts: 26,160

    I 100% agree obelixx

  • Busy-LizzieBusy-Lizzie Posts: 15,575

    Well said Gardening Grandma, Obelix and Lyon Greene.

    If there was more tolerence, respect and understanding of our fellow men the world would be a better place. By the way, the average income for a Catholic priest in England is about £10,000 a year. C of E nearer £25000. (I'm not a Catholic, but I do think Christ's teachings are good).

    Dordogne and Norfolk
  • The Church of England also has its many, many sex scandals:

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=church+of+england+sex+abuse&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USofficial&client=firefox-a.

    Groups of muslim immigrants groom and rape white girls (actually all over Europe as cases are showing) for years and years, with left wing apologists covering up for them.

    It all shows that no religion is immune.

    The God awful Rowan Williams was so non Christian and militant left that he invited muslims to churches and said Sharia law should be allowed in the UK - what sort of leader does that? A very poor one who should have been shot down years before.

     

  • nutcutletnutcutlet PeterboroughPosts: 26,160

    I wonder if, as a species, we'll ever grow out of superstition and stop looking outside of ourselves to blame, thank or worship.

  • nutcutlet wrote (see)

    I wonder if, as a species, we'll ever grow out of superstition and stop looking outside of ourselves to blame, thank or worship.

    You been reading Larkin?

    http://www.artofeurope.com/larkin/lar5.htm

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