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D0rdogne_DamselD0rdogne_Damsel Saint Yrieix La Perche, Haute Vienne/Dordogne border. FrancePosts: 3,434

I have two spots of land in my garden that for various reasons are now sitting empty awaiting planting up. I want both a small informal rose garden with lavender and the like in one area and I am also very keen to have a small rockery, perhaps with a little water feature in it in the other. 

I had originally decided that the hot sunny patch would be nice for the roses (7 hours per day sun, lovely soil) and the other spot, which was going to be started from scratch could be made into the rockery by mixing an appropriate concoction of soil and other 'stuff'. 

Now someone who has a lot of gardening experience has told me the roses will find the sunny patch too hot and the rockery plants will find my proposed spot too shady and that I should swap them over. This rather messes up my plan of having a sunny, scented rose garden to sit in at the bottom of the garden sheltered by an arch of climbing roses. However, I am prepared to listen to reason. image

Therefore, I'm checking whether all you other experts agree with this theory before I go ahead and spread manure all over the wrong patch?

Many thanks for input and advice, all options considered. image

(Roses already ordered are David Austen  Jean Mermoz, Pat Austin (Ausmum), Charles Rennie Mackintosh).

"To nurture a garden is to feed not just the body, but the soul." — Alfred Austin
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  • D0rdogne_DamselD0rdogne_Damsel Saint Yrieix La Perche, Haute Vienne/Dordogne border. FrancePosts: 3,434

    Thank you Philippa.

    The original spot I thought of for the roses is a hot spot, but is bordered by a couple of small apple trees which do offer a bit of shade especially later in the day. I was only going to put four roses and a climber in the area and then some easy ground cover geranium and lavender so am quite happy to devote some time to the roses and have loads of manure to keep them well fed. I realise they might need a lot of watering but again with only 4 it can't be too much of a burden (can it??).

    The area I was considering for the rockery is more shady than the other really hot sunny spot but it is not completely shady. It is in shadow in the morning but gets the afternoon sun until about 6 ish most of the summer, obviously longer and shorter according to the time of year. At the moment the back drop is some bamboo which is quite tall, but I could/would consider chopping it down quite a bit. There is also a large pampas grass at the approach to the area which is obviously quite tall at the minute but takes all year to get that way. 

    Really can't make a decision for myself, obviously want best place for both projects to flourish, that is the main criteria but felt the original plan I had fitted in well with the overall layout of the garden better.The rockery with the smaller plants nearer the main area of the garden more and the rose garden as a sort of 'destination' with the bright colours and fragrance drawing you over to the end of the garden. 

    Sorry, just thinking out loud on here more than anything, could equally write an argument for it being the other way around - please someone put me out of my misery so I can get gardening! image

    "To nurture a garden is to feed not just the body, but the soul." — Alfred Austin
  • D0rdogne_DamselD0rdogne_Damsel Saint Yrieix La Perche, Haute Vienne/Dordogne border. FrancePosts: 3,434

    Thank you again Philippa, my 'expert' adviser who initially queried my plan has already written off the DA roses as an expensive mistake! The only thing in my favour is that I am very tenacious (my OHs polite description of stubborn) and also very competitive, so come hell or high water those roses will thrive!

    Think the deciding factor may well come down to where the rocks are situated, OH does not involve himself in gardening and is closing his ears to suggestions of 'helping' with heavy rocks, so the easier option may well win, although again the tenacious and competitive part of me refuses to be beaten into submission. 

    Hopefully, will be posting a pic on here sometime next June of two marvellously successful projects! 

    "To nurture a garden is to feed not just the body, but the soul." — Alfred Austin
  • Busy-LizzieBusy-Lizzie Posts: 17,477

    Having seen your rose place, I wouldn't worry about it. It looked fine to me. Some roses love sun. My Lady Emma Hamilton is in a pot on a sunny terrace and it's flowered almost none stop. I am going to put Pat Austin in a pot next to her. Paul's Scarlet Climber is on a hot sunny wall and it blooms amazingly. Your place wasn't totally full sun, there were trees, when I saw it it was fairly shady, end of afternoon. Soil looked good. Just don't let the roses dry out when we get a more typical hot Dordogne summer.

    I am a bit off rockeries, having had one that got infested with bindweed. I think here it may get too hot and well drained. I would prefer a raised gravel bed with rock plants in it, if you really want alpines. They aren't so easy to find here as in the UK either - loads of common stuff like aubretia.

    Dordogne and Norfolk
  • LiriodendronLiriodendron Scariff, County Clare, IrelandPosts: 7,200

    Hello Damsel!  Just a word of encouragement about rockeries...  My "rock bank" was created out of necessity, to use existing stone in the garden and make sense of an impossibly steep slope.  However, its situation is far from ideal in that it's very shady and the climate is not in the least alpine (Pennine drizzle abounds).  But I reckoned there were plenty of shady, mountainous areas with attractive plants growing in them, so it shouldn't be impossible to find things which actively preferred growing in shade, and so it has proved.  Plenty of colour, too.  So if you have a rockery in your mind's eye, a rockery it should be, in my opinion!  Too many "experts" try to tell you you're not doing things the way they should be done.  It's your garden, so I really think you should follow your instincts - you're clearly a born gardener, judging from your posts on this forum.  image

    "The one who plants trees, knowing that he will never sit in their shade, has at least started to understand the meaning of life."  Rabindranath Tagore
  • D0rdogne_DamselD0rdogne_Damsel Saint Yrieix La Perche, Haute Vienne/Dordogne border. FrancePosts: 3,434

    Oh Liri, what a compliment, I do love it I'll agree, but definitely a true organic learning curve, as in slow and not always looking like others expect. 

    BL - A gravel bed with rock plants in it - those are the words that perfectly describe the vision in my head - thank you. 

    Feeling much more confident now about these projects, will go with my instincts, thank you both. 

    "To nurture a garden is to feed not just the body, but the soul." — Alfred Austin
  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Central Norfolk UKPosts: 74,821

    Enjoy it - looking forward to the pictures image

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    David Austin, planted nearly 25 years ago.  South facing house wall, narrow border, chalk 'soil', no chance according to your expert. Very hot summer and little rain here in 2014. This is this year's second flush, there will be another yet if all is as usual.  First blooms appear April/May, still at least 2/3 by Christmas.  I do like pruning and deadheading anyway and it gets a good footing of compost in the Spring.I main prune  first chance I get which is any fine spell in January, after that it's when I deadhead.  I also sling suitable feed on the ground, mainly because the solid chalk is inches down. 'Looking like others expect' has never been an ambition of mine.  image

     

     

     

  • D0rdogne_DamselD0rdogne_Damsel Saint Yrieix La Perche, Haute Vienne/Dordogne border. FrancePosts: 3,434

    What have I to worry about then DUK - they look rather fabulous! Don't suppose you remember the name? image

    "To nurture a garden is to feed not just the body, but the soul." — Alfred Austin
  • Takes me all my time to remember what it is I planted last week.  It did have a label for a long time but once that went, no chance.  It's very heavily perfumed as well as beautiful.  Usually has three heads on each stem, centre one opens first and  goes over, I remove that and the other two open every time.  It stops flowering briefly and then the second and third act follow on through the year.  And despite it's south facing aspect it's a very windy spot as usually the ruff stuff comes over the hill to the south west 

  • D0rdogne_DamselD0rdogne_Damsel Saint Yrieix La Perche, Haute Vienne/Dordogne border. FrancePosts: 3,434

    Got cracking on my rosebed today after finally coming to a decision, putting it where I first thought and will spend some time over winter finding suitable 'rock plants' that don't mind a bit of shade. I have been watching the soon to be rockery area all week, checking the sun and reckon if I cut back some of the shrubs and the bamboo that are at the back of it I can reduce the shadow a bit and there is also a very large tree behind that could probably have some branches trimmed back a bit too. Other than that I think it will be alright as long as I am careful about plant selection. Anyway here is a pic of rosebed so far; 

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    The rocks you can see will be moved over to the rockery site, most of them were dug out of the patch, think it was a dumping ground whilst house was converted. At the back I plan to have a little bench covered by a trellis with a climbing rose over it (have already planted it as it had to be moved earlier in the year, looking ok so far). Then I am moving some lavender across to make a border down the path, have planted some spring bulbs, anemone and tulips (red & white) under the tree and some allium up near the bench, then the roses get pride of place in the middle, two on one side one on the other. Still have to find some low border plants for outside edge, thinking some kind of geranium or maybe catnip, and still have to decide what I am going to make the path out of, any ideas welcome - but keep the price down OH doesn't do spending money! image

    Will keep you all updated with pics as it progresses highs and lows, thanks for all the input and encouragement. image

    "To nurture a garden is to feed not just the body, but the soul." — Alfred Austin
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