I would like to Id these two roses if possible . They are both well grown , and have been in the garden for years .The second rose is a very beautiful rose , very fragrant and will flood the garden with its scent in the evenings . Its grown to about 6 feet in height , and has hardly any barbs on the branches.
The top rose is a robust plant ,grows to about 7feet high ,flowers profusely twice in the year , no scent to speak of and is full of thorns , terrible to tidy up .but well worth the pain . Hope its not an impossible ask ,Thank you , Wendy.