Madame Alfred Carriere

I just joined the forum today and hope someone can help with some advice please. A year ago I planted two climbers I read would survive on a shady wall. I chose Souvenir Du Docteur Jamain and Madame Alfred Carriere. It's my own fault for not reading up enough and I think I chose unwisely with Madame Alfred Carriere. It didn't bloom this year, as expected, but it sent out masses of growth like it was trying to reach the sky. Unfortunately, for that particular wall, I really need something that will grow no more than about 3 metres. I recently pruned it back to about 2 metres in the hope that I can contain it and get some flowers next year. Should I replace it as it is obviously the wrong rose for that wall, or should I persevere with it and keep cutting it back?


  • FleurisaFleurisa Posts: 779

    According to David Austin it grows to 20 feet! So it might be a bit tall

  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 10,611

    Have you the space to put up training wires to tie it in horizontally?   Climbing roses and ramblers flower best on spurs coming from horizontally or diagonally trained main stems as this aids the flow of nutrients along the stem.

    If not, I suggest you find a good home for Mme AC and consider replacing it with something like a City of York rose which won't grow quite so long and has repeat flowers.  

    The Vendée, France
  • Dave MorganDave Morgan Posts: 3,122

    I have exactly the same rose on 20 ft north facing wall. It did put on a lot of growth this year and the flowering was not as good as usual. I have in previous years had better displays some quite spectacular, however to get the best from it I have found a good frame is essential, which as others have said, is to train it properly allowing for plenty of lateral growth.

    If your wall isnt 20 ft or so then do go for something smaller as it really is only for the larger wall.

  • Unfortunately there is a full height window to one side of the trellis and a very tall door to the other, so little chance for training it horizontally. Also it is a single storey house and I'm reluctant to let it ramble over the roof. I think it was a bad choice and I'll be more careful in future. Thanks for your advice, I think it needs to be replaced with something more compact, unfortunately. obelixx, I do like the look of City of York, it seems to be quite highly perfumed and it is shade tolerant.

  • I have a Mme Carriere on a north wall as well. Mine's a year old and hasn't flowered yet. I was told by someone who knows more about roses than me, that it may not flower in its first year at all. Like yours, it sent up loads of vertical shoots, which I've tried to train horizontally as much as possible. I didn't prune it back, only tidied it up a little, as I've heard it's best to leave climbers alone to establish for a couple of years before cutting them hard back.

  • Julia167Julia167 Posts: 2

    Hi, I'm new to rises and tot hooked ! and I've enjoyed reading your posts as I have a fence that's 6' High by 35' long and the first two roses I bought to cover it were a climber of deep red and Mdm Alfred de Carriere .This is the red climbers 3rd Year and MdeC 2nd. I too did not do enough research and as you all say the white has shot up way past the top of the fence so I had to cut it to the top and of course I haven't fanned it out.It has flowered once this year and the blooms were divine.The red has one central stem that has 2 side branches to the left and one to the right all about 18" from the top with lots of beautifully scented sprays of blooms.So here's the problems

    ?....I have 4'h by 8ft wide of bare fence under the red climber so how can I make that produce side shoots lower down to fill,and shall I persevere with Mdme and try and get it to go sideways and if so how to prune and when ???? know it's a looong post and hope you can help.TY 

    Last edited: 27 June 2017 20:24:40

  • I think it might be too vigorous for your requirements.  There are a number of very good ramblers/climbers more suitable for that height requirement.  I was going to choose it to grow up and over my porch because it has a good reputation from a flowering point of view but it would be too much.   I have selected The Lady of the Lake having seen it at David Austin gardens recently - it grows to 10ft which is ideal for me but is not white.  If you want white then Iceberg climber is beautiful but a larger flower (15ft).  I was looking for pale pink so didn't check out many whites.

  • Julia167Julia167 Posts: 2

    Thank you from r your time and advice. I have been looking thru the DA rises and Lady of the lake was my choice too.,'great minds etc etc ?I am waiting to uplift the Mdm C and then plant that one instead.Thanks again

  • FireFire LondonPosts: 663

    Out of interest, I always wondered, when they say that a rose will grow to 20 ft, do they mean straight up, or is the general full extent of the plant - growing, say, horizontally?

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