Standard rose... sucker question

WAMS

This belongs on the Rose thread but it is too gorgeous right now with all our memories of the summer rose garden to pollute with mundane questions and ugly photos.

*KLAXON* @Nollie I know you had a recurring problem with suckers on your Ghislaine de Féligonde standard and I was hoping for your insight in particular.

My standard has three graft points on it. On two of them, there are what I assume/hope are new basal breaks (apologies for blurry pic)


My question is, if there are suckers, would they appear here or would they be elsewhere e.g. between the graft points?  Also, how long did it take before it was obvious to you that your suckers were indeed suckers?

Also, does the top of the interstem look generally healthy to you? It's a bit more gnarled than I expected after one year but it's hard to find photos of other standards to compare. It isn't gall, is it?

Any and all advice appreciated.

cooldoc

Looks like a basal break to me @WAMS Now I do not have standards, but most breaks for the roses in ground is produced around that Graft area for me.. I would leave it for sometime and just observe the new growth..

Nollie

WAMS I agree with cooldoc, looks like normal basal growth to me but it is a matter of wait and see. My standard grafts look equally knobbly and callused, so I think that’s probably normal too. I had two top graft suckers on GdF, but wouldn’t have known what they were at that initial break stage. They soon shot up looking like totally different alien invaders!

bcpathome

My only standard is aLucky ,and I get them from time to time on her . I’ve been taking them off . Perhaps I’m making a mistake butI too thought suckers .

Marlorena

Those are perfectly ok,... not suckers.. 

bédé

Suckers come from the stock.  So below the graft.  THey often have a different leaf shape and early bud colour.  You will get to recognise this.

WAMS

Thank you, rosey types!😘

Nollie

Interestingly, my suckers were on the swollen top grafts of my standard, wedged right up against the bonafide canes of Ghislaine de Feligonde. I had to tear a ruddy great gash in the graft ripping them off! 

Here’s are some photos as an example, roses and their under stocks may differ... 

The rose - thinner canes and narrower, bright green glossy leaves:

The removed suckers - thick canes with fat, matt and grey-green leaves:

WAMS

Thanks! That's just what I wanted to know- if that is a place where they might appear from. I know they can appear the soil level because I have seen pics of that on other groups...

I will watch them like a hawk.

No idea what kind of rootstock Style might use for their standards... it would be interesting to know.

Nollie

I don’t know what inter-stem stock mine is either, WAMS, it’s a reddish mahogany colour and that’s all I can say. It was from France though, they seem to do things differently there. I have 8 top grafts, some are grafted onto short stubs off the main stem rather than directly on the vertical, perhaps that makes them more likely to sucker..

WAMS

Eight is so incredible. I was feeling pretty pleased with my three, which now seems paltry, if not pathetic. 😁

Mahogany kinda stem here, too... scarred and interesting-looking. Hopefully the new basals are a sign it's doing OK. Never quite sure how much to fertilise these and I probably err on the side of slightly too much.