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Foxes: Reinstating fear of humans



  • B3B3 Posts: 26,954
    Next door feeds them. They come up  very close to their house. We don't . They stay about 10ft away . They do doggy things but they're not dogs. They are wild animals and should be treated as such. It's better for them and it's better for us.
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • KT53KT53 Posts: 8,710
    @B3 I agree totally.  Far too many people view them as cuddly, fluffy doggies.  That's fine until the cuddly, fluffy doggy either attacks a person or a pet.
  • @pansyface Not only foxes do they get in Berlin. They have lots of wild boar, and this year was an  article in the Tagesspiegel about wolves that were seen just 30 km from the town centre. The wolves were reintroduced in Brandenburg, the federal county around Berlin, from Poland.
    The wolf pack, which settled last year in the Döberitzer Heide west of Berlin, is apparently larger than initially assumed.

    "In total, we currently assume eight wolves on the site," said Nora Künkler, spokeswoman for the Heinz Sielmannn Foundation of the German press Agency. However, there is no absolute certainty about the number, as the assumption is based on sightings by wildlife camera. Initially, at the beginning of October 2021, there was talk of two parents and four puppies on the site.

    According to Künkler, the wolf pack has been decimated by traffic accidents in recent months. Two young wolves had been run over on roads. "With a third animal, we assume the same fate, but in this case it has not yet been proven." Where the wolf pack originally came from is still unclear. Incidents such as encounters between humans and the wolves of the Döberitzer Heide or conflicts have not yet become known, said Künkler.

    The figures on the wild boar population in Germany speak for themselves: About 50 years ago, 50,000 wild boars were killed during the hunting season in East and West Germany.

    In the 2019/2020 season, according to the German Hunting Association, there were around 880,000, i.e. around seventeen times as many. This is mainly due to the fact that there are more and more pigs – both in the countryside and in the cities.

    Especially in districts bordering the city forest – such as Charlottenburg, Köpenick, Steglitz, Wilmersdorf and Zehlendorf – wild boars are spotted again and again.

    "We have transformed the surrounding area into a pig's paradise. We grow tens of times more corn than we used to. And wild boars love corn," says Ehlert. More and more animals are coming to the cities in search of food.

    A natural regulation of the stock, for example by diseases such as swine flu, does not take place. For fear that infected wild boars could infect their tame conspecifics on farms, they are vaccinated as a precaution.

    Hunting can only keep the population, not reduce it. "The population will continue to grow until food becomes scarce," says Ehlert. And there is still a lot to be gained in Berlin.

    When peace returns to Berlin's allotments, the pigs come. They press and enter the fences without any problems. Keiler can reach over one meter shoulder height and weigh 100 to 150 kilograms, brooks become about half as large.

    Sometimes they even jump up to a meter high to pass the fences. "Wild boars are very intelligent," explains Derk Ehlert. "If necessary, they learn how to open a pusher set. The Bache shows the way, the newcomers watch and remember it, forever."

    In the gardens of the Berliner Laubenpieper they find everything they can eat. Wild boars have a very good sense of smell and smell fruits, vegetables and compost from a distance. They dig the beds for bulbs, tubers and earthworms.

    Wild boars have raged here

    I my garden.

  • LunarSeaLunarSea Posts: 1,756
    Loxley said:

    It's a real problem though isn't it. I don't think it's possible to reinstate the fear, to be honest and I think we will just have to control their numbers somehow. 

    Maybe we could control human numbers whilst we're at it! Or maybe at least modify our own behaviour & expectations. Personally I love foxes and am thrilled when I see them in our garden.

    So the foxes exploit any available food sources, and in so doing they 'invade' our territories. If we have dogs we fence the garden off to keep them in. It might also work the other way around.

    Wildlife can be so terribly inconvenient sometimes can't it?
    Clay soil - Cheshire/Derbyshire border

    I play with plants and soil and sometimes it's successful

  • B3B3 Posts: 26,954
    They can climb really high fences. I don't do anything to encourage or deter them. They sunbathe at the bottom of the garden and the cubs play on the grass but they disappear if we go out, which is as it should be. I think disease probably keeps the numbers down. They look really healthy when they're young but not so, the older ones.
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • JoeXJoeX Posts: 1,783
    LunarSea said:
    Loxley said:

    It's a real problem though isn't it. I don't think it's possible to reinstate the fear, to be honest and I think we will just have to control their numbers somehow. 

    Wildlife can be so terribly inconvenient sometimes can't it?
    I think being bitten while you are asleep is a little more than merely inconvenient.
  • JoeXJoeX Posts: 1,783
    Nearly got one with the soaker today.  I’ll get you yet, cully.
  • FireFire Posts: 18,019
    edited September 2022
    In July this year a neighbour said that a fox got into the house and killed two of their rabbits. It imagine that was a supposition given the evidence. It surprised me that they would be that desperate, given the wealth of food around locally and how many people feed the various fox families.

    Why would a fox nip an ankle? Did it think you were dead? If it broke skin, did you get a jab from health provider?

    Random bites (from someone not trying to feed them by hand) seems quite rare.

  • Foxes nip because it’s how they explore and investigate things. They don’t have hands to poke and prod … they nip like a wild dog does … to see what happens. 

    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.

  • borgadrborgadr Posts: 703
    Foxes certainly behave very differently out here in the sticks. Very timid and discrete, you only ever really see them as roadkill, or their eyes caught in the headlights at night on a quiet country road.

    I've never seen one around here in broad daylight. The only reason I know they come into my garden is because I've caught them on the trail camera.
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