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Why are my shrub roses growing so tall, and what to do about it?



  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 8,437
    You asked about Hybrid Teas and lateral growth?... No, you wouldn't normally do that with this type of rose, because they flower at the tips, the growth is usually too stiff, and normal pruning back to a lower shoot is all that's required..  
    Saying that, there are some modern HT's that look like shrub rose these days, and benefit from less rigid pruning regimes..  'Dee-Lish' is one of them, 'Chandos Beauty' is another, these can be left to grow much larger, even so, they still require HT pruning back to a bud, they are not conducive to pegging or training laterals..
    East Anglia, England
  • Busy-LizzieBusy-Lizzie Posts: 23,160
    Thank you @Marlorena.  
    I bought Oranges and Lemons because we saw it at Hever Castle and OH admired it, but it was quite tidy and under control there. I've been to Peter Beales several times and I've seen Westerland as a shrub and as a climber. I didn't know if the rootstock was the same because the Westerland I bought there was labelled as a shrub. OH really likes orange roses. I do too, but I think my taste is really more pink.
    Dordogne and Norfolk. Clay in Dordogne, sandy in Norfolk.
  • FireFire Posts: 18,138
    Interesting that training some roses laterally wouldn’t work and they wouldn’t break shoots along a lateral octopus cane. You would think the hormonal pattern would revert. I imagined that all woody plants would swing that way. I guess not. 
  • WAMSWAMS Posts: 1,938
    Thanks heaps, @Marlorena, for your answer. I'll remember that about Dee-Lish and Chandos Beauty. Yes, @Fire, it's odd- or perhaps not, given it's a moot point about bending HTs. I just tested my Rachel / Augusta Luise HT and could only move a branch less than 1/4 inch before it felt as if it were going to snap. 

    Sorry @Busy-lizzie for muscling in on your thread a tiny bit. It's a very interesting topic. 
  • NollieNollie Posts: 7,490
    You’re welcome, you can do what you want with them of course, it’s all in the pruning and training rather than them being different roses or on different root stock. I have two other Austins with climbing tendencies that I have struggled to keep in shrub form for years, despite rigorous pruning - Gertrude Jekyll and Golden Celebration - but they constantly defy my efforts! I wish I had more space to let them do their thing. I got rid of Graham for different reasons though..
    Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
  • Busy-LizzieBusy-Lizzie Posts: 23,160
    I left Gertrude Jekyll behind at my old house, too prickly and she did try to climb, but I bought Golden Celebration last winter, OK so far.
    Dordogne and Norfolk. Clay in Dordogne, sandy in Norfolk.
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