Rose identification

makinghay

Hello! I have many roses - most of which I can identify - but not this one. I'd love to know who she is! I particularly love the way the buds start out rich apricot colour, then open to a delicate pale pink. She's a 15yr-old+ shrub rose, which I cut down from 8' tall to 5' early this spring, and she's rewarded me with an abundance of flowers. Hope someone knows her name! Thank you - Moira

Eustace

Ghislaine de Feligonde?

makinghay

Thanks Eustace - I have G de F elsewhere on the property, and although there are  similarities, it's different in many aspects. Good guess tho'!
Regards,
Moira 

Marlorena

Could you show a photo of the whole plant please?

Do you know where it was bought from originally?

Have you done any research yourself to come up with any ideas of what it might be?..

Also, does it repeat flower for you?..

Woodgreen

Phyllis Bide perhaps?

makinghay

Hello Woodgreen - Phillys Bide is another good guess, but I don't think it's quite the same. Thank you anyway.

makinghay

Hello Marlorena - I'll try to get a pic of the whole (heavy showers today, and it's in an awkward position!) I don't remember where it was originally from - my late partner would have bought it, and he's no longer around to ask). I also can't remember whether it repeat-flowers, but I don't think so. I have done some research online, and looked in my books - particularly Roger Phillips' 'Roses' - inconclusive. I'll come back in due course with a photo. Thank you. 

makinghay

I was asked to provide some photos of the 'unknown rose' in its entirety, in addition to the close-up I provided - it's in an awkward location so I can't provide anything very professional-looking! and the recent downpours have somewhat spoiled many of my roses - the one in question is now very opened-up in the middle due to being weighed-down with saturated blooms, and the stems are rather lax, but here's one pic. For further help in identification, the stems are thornless, but there are small, sharp thorns on the underside of the leaflets; it's about 5' high (I'd cut it down from 8' early spring); each mature bloom is 2"+ across, and lightly scented; there are multiple blooms (5+) on each flowering stem. 

Marlorena

Well, thank you for the photo but I can't say that it's going to help much..

My first thought was 'Ghislaine de  Feligonde' as Eustace mentioned above, but you discounted that, and I admit there are some minor differences in foliage, and bloom colour, which could be camera related, location, temps etc..  however..
..this is identical to GdeF..  the tiny prickles on the stems below the buds and it's otherwise thornless nature that you state..  also the receptacle there, that forms the hip right under the bud is also  an identical shape to GdeF.. as is the foliage in this photo.


..most of the foliage looks the same to me, except some of these leaves here below, just right of the lowest cluster of flowers.. they look a little too rounded..


I hope you find out in due course, but I cannot come up with anything else, and have no further time to dwell on it unfortunately, so perhaps someone else can help..

edhelka

If it isn't GdF, then it would need to be something very close to it (hybrid musk or hybrid multiflora rambler or large shrub).
I don't have HMF premium subscription right now, so I can't use HMF advanced search or look into breeding lines, so I can't do any serious research on it.

Marlorena

I would have said 'Cornelia' as everything fits, including thornless, and the shape of the large shrub,  except those little prickles on the peduncle and pedicels, Cornelia doesn't have those, but I'll check my plant again today.  Perhaps the member could take a close up of them to confirm, I've had to zoom in and it's a fuzzy picture.