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Clematis ID please

PatsyFaganPatsyFagan Posts: 51
I have had this clematis for a few years now. I can't remember what it is - I wouldn't mind if it just flowered and I knew how best to treat it ... it never clings to the obelisk I provide as it doesn't have any tendrils. Buds never mature into flowering - it just flops over From memory I think the flowers are small and white, but it romps away, then keels over . Could it just need a large pot, or be put into the ground ? 

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  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Central Norfolk UKPosts: 82,290
    edited May 2022
    There are some types of clematis called 'herbaceous clematis' and they do not climb ... they sort of sprawl or tumble, or need tieing in to a support.

    Some of them have flowers which don't look much like what we think of as clematis flowers.  

    Have a look here .... there's three pages of 'em ... see if any look familiar ...

    https://www.taylorsclematis.co.uk/HERBACEOUS-Cut-Flower-Clematis/?filter=allinstock 

     :) 
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  • FairygirlFairygirl west central ScotlandPosts: 49,201
    It sounds as if that's what it is - one of the integrifolias. They're more like a perennial plant in that they're smaller and stay put,  rather than climbing, although you can train them through shrubs or let them scramble through other perennials. 
    Better in the ground  :)
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  • PatsyFaganPatsyFagan Posts: 51
    Thanks both ... I bought a herbaceous clematis from Thorncroft Nursery many years ago but it looked nothing like this one and I never seen herbaceous ones for sale anywhere else, certainly not at any GC that I have visited.  

    @Dovefromabove I will check your link  - (can't find a thumbs up emoji ) 
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  • Cambridgerose12Cambridgerose12 Posts: 1,044
    There are more perennial-like ones as well, such as Clematis heracleifolia. But C. integrifolia pushes up several slender stems from the base every year. They work well through shrubs providing those aren’t  too overpowering. I grow mine through a small wire obelisk, as I find they succeed better for me when not too crowded at the base. They also seem to require a lot of feeding to produce many flowers.
  • FairygirlFairygirl west central ScotlandPosts: 49,201
    I doubt if they'd be readily available at GCs @PatsyFagan. You'd usually need to use one of the specialist growers. Check out Thorncroft, Taylors etc, and see if you can get a match.
    They're often listed in different ways [integrifolia or heracleifolia, as said]  but if you look for herbaceous clematis, that usually works.  :)
    They do need well fed to get the best outcome, so that can me more difficult depending on where you have them, as @Cambridgerose12 says.

    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....


  • PatsyFaganPatsyFagan Posts: 51
    @Cambridgerose12 ..... yes, my clematis sends up slender stems every year, so C. Integrifolia sounds about right. 

    @Fairygirl .... I went to a demo day at Thorncroft  14 years ago and I suspect I bought this one from there ... 

    Just need to find the right place in the garden to plant it now 

    Thanks for your help 
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