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Will thalictrum tolerate a lot of shade?

Have a Black Stockings here and am contemplating putting it somewhere where it would get 2 hours' sun tops. The Beth Chatto site includes some thalictra as shade plants but thought I'd check here :)

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  • Pete.8Pete.8 Billericay, EssexPosts: 8,546
    edited 8 April
    Yes - so long as they can get their heads in the light.
    I have quite a few T. delavayi, many of which have self seeded.
    I have a couple behind a multi-stemmed acer - they grow up through the foliage and last year the flowers were a good 8ft - appearing over the top of the acer, which looked unusual.
    I have several more that have self seeded just in front of a fence on an east-facing border - in front of them are various shrubs and perennials 4-6ft high, again they push themselves up through all the other foliage and the flowers were at about 7ft.
    Those that are in just light shade, get to between 5-6ft

    I also have Black Stockings and they are fine in quite deep shade too - I have several around a big old coral conifer and they've been happy there for 20ish years
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  • Many thanks, Pete!
  • FireFire LondonPosts: 14,095
    Are they creatures of the damp? I have some  partial shady dry beds and wonder how well they will do...
  • punkdocpunkdoc Sheffield, Derbyshire border.Posts: 11,312
    They prefer damper soil.
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  • Pete.8Pete.8 Billericay, EssexPosts: 8,546
    They certainly prefer damper soil, but my original T. delavayi has been happy in partial shade on dry clay for many years, and their children seem happy there too. I do give them a mulch each spring.
    They get to about 4-5ft, others on damper soil get taller
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  • FireFire LondonPosts: 14,095
    thanks
  • FairygirlFairygirl west central ScotlandPosts: 46,325
    Damper soil is certainly their preference @WhereAreMySecateurs , but once established, they seem to cope well enough. If you get seedlings, as @Pete.8 describes, they're already adapting, so it's different to one that's been grown in isolation,  and planted out. I had a purpley one in a previous garden, and it was in quite a sunny spot, and with a fair bit of competition, but the rainfall meant it didn't dry out, and it was more than happy there. They're nice if the spot is right for them. 
    I forgot I had one here as it got crowded out with other plants. Hopeless mare!  :D
    It's in a pot just now and will go out in a better site once it's recovered a bit more. 
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  • GardenerSuzeGardenerSuze South NottsPosts: 1,190
    I have grown T Elin in the passed after a few years it gave up. However it is a superb form, good in the winter as well.  Named after Piet Ouldolf 's wife I think?
  • JennyJJennyJ DoncasterPosts: 6,122
    T. Elin and T. flavum glaucum do well here in partial shade and well-drained sandy soil, in fact flavum self-seeds quite freely. T. deylavayi died out after it's first year though.
  • Lizzie27Lizzie27 SomersetPosts: 9,266
    Oh, that's odd, although we have clay soil, my thalictrums are all in my south facing sunny front garden. They seem happy so far planted around a big Stipa Gigantica. I love the contrast between the stipa's golden seed heads and the tiny purple thalictrum flowers, especially when the western sun shines through both - magical!
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