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HenatronHenatron Posts: 29
Hello,
I have three different clematis's that I'd like to try and get a variety ID on, if anyone is particularly good at clematis's?

1. I bought this one last year from Dobbies but it came mislabelled and obviously wasn't what I was expecting when it flowered. I did email Dobbies and they emailed back with a suggestion of what it could be, but it wasn't that either and then they didn't reply to my next email. It grew to about 4-5' last summer but is only a young plant so I don't know how big it will be ultimately, and flowered in July/August, with bell-shaped pretty flowers. Any ideas? Would be helpful to know whether it's group 2 or 3 at least. The second photo is a bit over-exposed- the first is true to colour.



2. This one was here when we moved in, so I haven't a clue about it. It must be Group 3 as it flowers very late (October - but I do live in the coldest part of the UK (the Cairngorms) so everything flowers later here than down south as they get going later - our summers are much, much shorter than most of the rest of the UK!). It gets up and over a 6' trellis each year so is a decent size (for here!). Must have been in situ for at least 10 years but I suspect a lot longer.



3. The third one is in exactly the same situation as number 2 - all the same details apply. It's just more purple! I've been lopping both these two back to a few inches high each spring and that seems to work - I'm just nosy and want to know what they are all!


Hoping someone can help,
Thanks!

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  • MarlorenaMarlorena East AngliaPosts: 6,379
    ...the first one is 'Alionushka' which is herbaceous.... anybody's guess on the other 2..
  • ObelixxObelixx Vendée, Western FrancePosts: 27,600
    I think Alionushka too.   It is not self clinging.  This site will help with IDs, pruning etc
    https://clematisontheweb.org/new-clemdetail.cfm?dbkey=1

    You can also search it according to tepal colour, anther colour, flowering times and size to help you identify the others.
    "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." - George Bernard Shaw
  • GardenerSuzeGardenerSuze South NottsPosts: 1,185
    Could 2 be a viticella?
  • HenatronHenatron Posts: 29
    Obelixx said:
    I think Alionushka too.   It is not self clinging.  This site will help with IDs, pruning etc
    https://clematisontheweb.org/new-clemdetail.cfm?dbkey=1

    You can also search it according to tepal colour, anther colour, flowering times and size to help you identify the others.
    Grand, thank you. I'll have a look at that. :-)
  • HenatronHenatron Posts: 29
    Marlorena said:
    ...the first one is 'Alionushka' which is herbaceous.... anybody's guess on the other 2..
    Amazing, thank you! The other two could have been planted as long ago as 30 years so they were always a long shot....
  • GardenerSuzeGardenerSuze South NottsPosts: 1,185
    Could 3 be Clematis Viticella Polish Spirit. Think this might give you a starting point
  • LeadFarmerLeadFarmer Posts: 1,155
    edited 20 February
    Henatron said:
    1. I bought this one last year from Dobbies but it came mislabelled and obviously wasn't what I was expecting when it flowered. I did email Dobbies and they emailed back with a suggestion of what it could be, but it wasn't that either and then they didn't reply to my next email. It grew to about 4-5' last summer but is only a young plant so I don't know how big it will be ultimately, and flowered in July/August, with bell-shaped pretty flowers. Any ideas? Would be helpful to know whether it's group 2 or 3 at least. The second photo is a bit over-exposed- the first is true to colour.





    I do like this one, might get one myself so thanks for posting.
  • FairygirlFairygirl west central ScotlandPosts: 46,325
    There's too many varieties to make it easy to ID your two later clematis @Henatron . Colours alter on flowers as well, with conditions and aspects. The darker ones can be much lighter in sun for example.
    They'll both likely be Group 3s anyway due to time of flowering. Up here, you don't get much in the way of later flowers on Group 2s, while many 3s flower well into autumn.
    Even if they were Group 2, and you're pruning as a 3, they'd flower around June or so, but you could always leave one and see what happens. 
    You can look at any of the specialist sites to get an idea of variety, but carry on with the same pruning regime. If you want some earlier flowering types, you can always get a Group 2.  :)

    PS- like your user pic - which hill was it taken on?
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....


  • GardenerSuzeGardenerSuze South NottsPosts: 1,185
    You could try Raymond Evison?
  • GardenerSuzeGardenerSuze South NottsPosts: 1,185
    @Henatron Just taken a look at the Gardenia website. You say that 2 and 3 have been in your garden a long time.  It is as I have said possible that they are both viticellas. You could look at both Polish Spirit and Abundance.  This will not give you an instant answer but it could help with a comparison when they are next in flower.
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