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Acer palmatum sango kaku seeds

murilocruymurilocruy Posts: 6
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Hello everyone,

I'm looking for some Acer palmatum sango kaku seeds, but it seems that there is no one selling seeds of that Acer. So I decided to ask here in the forum, have anyone seeing seeds of Acer palmatum sango kaku for sale ?

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  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 82,740
    I suspect the reason why you’ve not been able to find seeds of this particular tree is because they will not come true from seed. They are usually propagated by cuttings or grafting. 
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  • murilocruymurilocruy Posts: 6
    Dovefromabove said:
    I suspect the reason why you’ve not been able to find seeds of this particular tree is because they will not come true from seed. They are usually propagated by cuttings or grafting. 

    That was what I thought. But for me, seeds are the only chance to have one of those beautiful Acer, as I live in Brazil import the whole plant is almost impossible.

  • steephillsteephill Posts: 2,637
    If they will not come true from seed then you won't get that acer from any seed you buy. Isn't there also a problem with Brazil's climate being too hot?
  • murilocruymurilocruy Posts: 6
    steephill said:
    If they will not come true from seed then you won't get that acer from any seed you buy. Isn't there also a problem with Brazil's climate being too hot?
    Is not about the climate, steephill. We use freezers to  do the stratification process here in Brazil. I belive they propagate by grafting or cuttings because is faster, easyer and they mantain the bealty of the parents, if they use seeds would be slower and the seedling will have a lot of variability. But the Acer sango kaku must start with seeds some where back in the days, I don't belive that all the plants come true by graftin and cuttings.


  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 50,236
    I think @steephill might be referring to the climate generally not being great for Acers, rather than the seed collection and storage.  :)

    Cuttings are the one sure fire way that a plant can be a replica of the parent plant, so I'm not sure why you'd think it wouldn't be the case. Grafting is done for various reasons, and while yes - many plants will have started off as seed, when a desirable specimen appears, the best way to reproduce it consistently is to take cuttings, or graft it. 
    Some plants come true from seed, but Acers aren't among them.  :)
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  • OmoriOmori Posts: 1,660
    edited December 2021
    The best you could hope for is to buy Acer palmatum seeds and grow quite a few to see what you get. It may be that you end up with either green or red leaved varieties and not a coral bark variety...I imagine that would be quite rare. I'm not speaking from any real expertise on seed genetics though. 

    Alternatively, if you could find someone with a Sango Kaku variety, you could try some cuttings.
  • murilocruymurilocruy Posts: 6
    Fairygirl said:
    I think @steephill might be referring to the climate generally not being great for Acers, rather than the seed collection and storage.  :)

    Cuttings are the one sure fire way that a plant can be a replica of the parent plant, so I'm not sure why you'd think it wouldn't be the case. Grafting is done for various reasons, and while yes - many plants will have started off as seed, when a desirable specimen appears, the best way to reproduce it consistently is to take cuttings, or graft it. 
    Some plants come true from seed, but Acers aren't among them.  :)
    I may have express myself wrong. I know that the varity that we have today, are propagate by grafting and cuttings. When I refer to "all plants", what I mean is that I don't belive that all the sango kaku plants come from graft or cuttings, some of them must come from seeds and, like you said, when is found one with desirable fenotype they start to propagate by grafting or cuttings. But if I get a bunch of seeds from a sango kaku tree and germinate them, I belive that it is possible to found some seedling that have the fenotype close to the sango kaku.
    About the climate, in some part of Brazil it's possible to cultivate Acers, most of them acttualy. We don't have the extreme cold, but still possible to cultivate Acers, I have one here in my house, a Deshojo varity.


  • murilocruymurilocruy Posts: 6
    Omori said:
    The best you could hope for is to buy Acer palmatum seeds and grow quite a few to see what you get. It may be that you end up with either green or red leaved varieties and not a coral bark variety...I imagine that would be quite rare. I'm not speaking from any real expertise on seed genetics though. 

    Alternatively, if you could find someone with a Sango Kaku variety, you could try some cuttings.
    That is what I'm trying, but when I mentioning "sango kaku seeds" they say that there is no seeds from sango kaku. But I believe that if I get 200 seeds and germinate them I will be able to find some seedling that looks like sango kaku.

  • OmoriOmori Posts: 1,660
    If you get a coral barked seedling like Sango Kaku, it won't be Sango Kaku, but a new coral barked variety. I don't think that particularly matters though, as long as it has the features you want (coral bark).
  • murilocruymurilocruy Posts: 6
    Omori said:
    If you get a coral barked seedling like Sango Kaku, it won't be Sango Kaku, but a new coral barked variety. I don't think that particularly matters though, as long as it has the features you want (coral bark).

    That's right @Omori . But find seeds from a sango kaku tree have been quite dificult kkkkk
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