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Plant ID - which is it?

Hi, can anyone settle an argument please.... are these Rudbeckia or Helenium?  They grow to about 6 feet tall. 
Thank you in advance :-) 



  • B3B3 Posts: 25,306
    I vote rudbeckia😊
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • I'd say Helenium.
    As far as I know Rudbeckia dont' grow that tall.  Not to say that someone hasn't bred a giant one tho ;)
    @ Silversurfer would be your best bet for a definite ID 
  • There are tall rudbeckia,  R. maxima, gets 6ft.

    I think you have a helianthus though, there are several perrenial sunflowers that get that big and look like that. 
  • Looks like a rudbeckia to me. 
  • PerkiPerki Posts: 2,369
    edited September 2021
    It's a helianthus maybe maximiliania. My rudbeckia herbstone is 7ft
  • LynLyn Posts: 22,015
    I think the leaves look more like Rudbeckia.
    Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor. 

  • B3B3 Posts: 25,306
    Is there money on it?
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 13,762
    I’d say Helianthus.
    How can you lie there and think of England
    When you don't even know who's in the team

    S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 52,269
    I'd say Helianthus too. 
    Rudbeckias tend to have more of a 'cone'. Leaves look different too. 
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....

    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • Ahh  :D still the argument continues then! 
    I meant helianthus not helenium... and my money is on that, but my mum swears it’s rudbeckia  :#
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