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Roses Ena Harkness and Etoile de Hollande

Weeks ago there was a discussion about the above names roses. And to identify the difference between them. I said I would post a photo when I could take the photo together of them both in bloom. The lower one, Ena Harkness has been tied up to show the full face, Ena Harkness always hangs its head for me when they get fully open. Valerie 
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