Recommend A Rose For A Narrow Trellis
Uncle Mort
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I have a 3ft wide trellis that is situated at the side of my front door. The aspect is east facing, I would like to plant a rose which could be trained up the trellis with maybe an addition of a clematis. I realise there is not a huge amount of space width wise. Could anyone recommend a suitable rose for the position.
I would ideally like the rose to be, in order of importance, fragrant, repeat flowering and disease resistant.
I would ideally like the rose to be, in order of importance, fragrant, repeat flowering and disease resistant.
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Are you planting in the ground or a pot?
In the ground you need to plant away from the wall by 18ins I think, pots need to be big.
Most roses suitable for shade need around 4 hours of sun.
What colours are you thinking of?
As always for clematis look at Taylor's or Thorncroft clematis websites and for roses David Austin and others as you can filter your requirements.
As to fragrant all the roses I buy state they have a strong fragrant but I can't smell anything from some of them.
Training on a narrow trellis is possible with a flexible type rose some are just too stiff,
Paul Zimmerman on training climbing roses on YouTube is a good watch.
What happened to the Bathsheba rose you planted back in 2019?
I think it was Marlorena advised that Bathsheba was going to be to big for the allocated space and she was correct (I had already bought it at the time, plus I am not keen on Bathsheba everytime there is some rain the flowers do not open or go mouldy so I am going to remove it and relocate it, this is its second year so hopefully it should be quite easy to move. This time I will follow the recommendation of gardeners who know there roses.
Marlorena, I was looking at Aloha as a possibility so I will go with your recommendation, you mention a type 2 clematis. I have Clematis Fireworks which is a type 2 do you think this would be suitable to plant with Aloha or not. I want to get it right this time.
...yes I like the look of 'Fireworks' as a companion, I like those clematis with a dark bar going down the middle... it's personal choice, but I think they would bounce off each other... plant the clematis 2 foot away from the base of the rose if you can and point the stems in the right direction, keeping them off the growing rose initially until the rose is sufficient height to cope.. then allow to merge..
….I just wonder if you are entirely happy with it though? the reason being, I see a classic example there of a climbing rose that badly needs training, the tall canes should be angled diagonally right and left to induce lateral growth... in my opinion, it's not a rose for a narrow trellis like that... but it's your rose, your garden and how it's done is down to the gardener... but I would want to see more blooms on my rose, and it won't happen going straight upwards..
'Aloha' offers an upright but bushier, arching habit, so allowing for lateral growth..
You're right, if I only wanted it for the trellis space it badly needs trained, but I tried that previously and it didn't work in terms of my overall goal - I got plenty of flowers off small lateral shoots, but I couldn't get the sturdy growth to hit the top of the trellis and then train. The challenge with my scenario is that I can't just cut back a third or 2 and let it regrow, or the growth can't be constrained to the trellis because of the regrowth point. I have to either get it to the top of the trellis and then cut back above the window, or cut back below the window bottom and then train new vertical structural canes.
Once I've got it over the window height I can train in new canes diagonally up the trellis, in front of the vertical structural ones. I know that will work because like I said, I did it previously when I shouldn't have!
In my head I know what I want!
The other challenge with this is location. It's east and a bit north facing, but it's in the shadow of part of my house that juts out. There are trees in front, and it's a dry bed in a rain shadow. I've tried a few things here and none have worked or looked right. Admittedly I haven't tried lots, but all the usual climbers seem to struggle. This rose doesn't and it seems happy!