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Pete_LPete_L EdinburghPosts: 13
Hi All,

First post! And you've probably had this one a million times before!

I've got a David Austin growing below, but there's some really strangly growth at the back and they're shooting right up. There's also some bud looking type things growing in clusters. I'm guessing this is the old rootstock? It's quite unsightly and most likely sucking some nutrients intended for the actual David Austin rose. There was only one shooter last year (it's first year). But pruning has obviously got it going this year.

Safe to chop this right down and remove just now?

Thanks! :)




  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Central Norfolk UKPosts: 79,509
    I’d wait until @Marlorena
    had seen it ... to be on the safe side ...
    “I am not lost, for I know where I am. But however, where I am may be lost.” Winnie the Pooh

  • MarlorenaMarlorena East AngliaPosts: 6,812
    ...I'm not seeing anything wrong with your rose, just good strong healthy growth... there are no suckers visible... those bud cluster things are your rose blooms... you wouldn't want to cut those off now would you?..  is your rose Tess of the d'Urbervilles by any chance?
    ...very normal growth... nothing to worry about ... enjoy your rose..
  • Pete_LPete_L EdinburghPosts: 13
    Thanks @Dovefromabove

    Hey @Marlorena I've not seen this one grow buds in clusters, its always been offshoots then a single bud forming at the end as you can see on some of the pics. All the shoots at the front of the rose have been budding away happily for over a month now and nothing at all with those 2 stalks you can growing out the back of the knot. This I thought might've been a problem with the leaf growth at the back looking different and not branching out at all, just up up and up! :) Last years one made its way over the wall and into the neighbours garden.
  • Pete_LPete_L EdinburghPosts: 13

    Thomas à Becket is the rose. Here are some more close ups of leaves. 

    Front stalks leaves

    Back stalk leaves

    None of the front stalk buds look like these when developing

    Suppose wait and see if they look the same when they come out!

  • MarlorenaMarlorena East AngliaPosts: 6,812

    ..this is Thomas a Becket.... I'm not convinced you have this rose...I wonder if you were sent the wrong rose, if you ordered Thomas.. whilst I don't see any rootstock suckers, it looks in your 2nd picture as if you have a vigorous climbing rose there, which makes me think it's Tess of the d'Urbervilles, although Thomas is vigorous too and with a wildish look to it..

    ..if you look at the base of your rose, and compare to mine below, you will see they are quite different in character... compare the thorn distribution... Thomas has a very thorny base with lots of thin canes.. Thomas also has weak necks, the stems curve over, so the blooms tend to hang..
    So other than a possible mistaken identity, I can't see much else wrong..

  • MarlorenaMarlorena East AngliaPosts: 6,812
    edited May 2020
    I'm talking about this image here...  are all these shoots coming from the same base? from where you've got that pink bloom.. I feel I'm looking at 2 roses one planted behind the other.. please show more of the base...

  • Pete_LPete_L EdinburghPosts: 13

    Its so crowded at the bottom its hard to take a photo. All the rose leaves you can see are coming from that one base in a rectangular planter. Theres a Rodo in the bottom right stuck in the ground shooting up just after flowering.

  • Pete_LPete_L EdinburghPosts: 13
    Going to be interesting to see what comes out of those 2 clusters of buds.
  • edhelkaedhelka GwyneddPosts: 2,253
    Marlorena said:
    I feel I'm looking at 2 roses one planted behind the other..
    Exactly! It's so confusing. I feel like these are two different roses but the shoots are not laxa suckers. I would expect thinner canes, arching growth, zigzag pattern of leaves and fully green colour for them. Can it even flower on this year wood?

  • MarlorenaMarlorena East AngliaPosts: 6,812
    edited May 2020
    No, there's no laxa there... and no it wouldn't flower on new wood..

    ..ok... thanks for these extra photos... the thing about this forum,  is that I cannot enlarge or zoom in on anything on my computer.. we used to be able to do that, so one needs lots of pictures these days from all angles.. and so many Austins look alike.. that pink bloom could just as easily be Princess Anne for instance..

    ..Yes, you have Thomas a Becket... congratulations... great rose, and was a favourite of mine but I had to move on...  the foliage on this rose is variable, from rounded leaves to longer serrated leaves, such as you see... you also have a lot more vigorous growth there in Scotland than I ever saw in East Anglia, at least until into its 3rd year.. have no suckers, and he's a thorny beast... it's all the same rose... best of luck !  

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