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  • punkdocpunkdoc Sheffield, Derbyshire border.Posts: 8,238
    Beautifully summarised @raisingirl.
    It is not about giving up, it is about moderating.
    If land is only suitable for pasture, then that is what it should be used for.
    BUT, something has to be done.
    Did they tear it out with talons of steel
    And give you a shot, so that you wouldn't feel?
    And washed it away as if it wasn't real?
  • The BBC bias is quite blatant though, I was watching the programme with an open mind the presenter wasn't doing the same.
  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 25,791
    The BBC bias is quite blatant though, I was watching the programme with an open mind the presenter wasn't doing the same.
    I've heard about the same number of people say the BBC is biased against the tories as I have  heard say it's biased against labour.
    I suppose it depends upon the perspective of the viewer. 
    Devon.
  • I was talking about the meat programme.
  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 517
    The point I was trying to get across earlier (again clumsily) is whether food production is the main issue. As everyone knows, CO2 is produced across the sectors (https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-emissions-data). Unless food is wasted, OR we're overeating, then changing what we eat seems to me to be a disrupting option. I totally agree on cutting down what we eat (especially in the West where obesity is rife - https://www.who.int/gho/ncd/risk_factors/overweight/en/) - where we eat for gluttony's sake. That's across all food types.
    BUT the west manufactures to throw away. Now surely, that is where to start. Constantly producing 'stuff' to bin it a day, a month, a week...blah later is just consumerist nonsense. But we all do it. So an instant impact could be achieved by cutting down on what we buy - and at the same time, given that 99% of everything appears to be plastic, it starts to address that issue too. But all things have an impact - and the capitalist system is based on people buying, so obviously reducing what we buy has a direct affect on industry...jobs, economies, political attitudes...
    Watch this Christmas - see how much stuff is bought and then binned. I'm not religious or a Christian, but didn't JC say  something like 'Give up your wordly goods and follow me'? Christmas epitomises the problem doesn't it? Overeating, over buying of stuff - and I'm just off down the SM to join in the murmuration.


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  •  steveTu said:

    BUT the west manufactures to throw away. Now surely, that is where to start. Constantly producing 'stuff' to bin it a day, a month, a week...blah later is just consumerist nonsense. But we all do it. .
    Watch this Christmas - see how much stuff is bought and then binned. 


    I agree with some of what you say but I really think you need to be more specific and stop generalising...........we DON'T all do it..............just as we don't all have myriad electronic devices, huge TV's, a mobile device in every room in the house ...........if you or the people around you are consumerists just for the sake of it and are happy to spend money  and then, for want of a better expression, flush it down the drain, you and they need to start thinking rationally.  I would point out that others should not be tarred with the same brush.


  • LynLyn DevonPosts: 16,173
    Surely spending is important,  there would be a lot of people on the dole queue if people didn’t spend. 
    I can’t  understand why people have to spend so much, how do people have waste food, we never have a scrap of food wasted,  but can understand that’s there’s a lot of money around and if people want to spend it on rubbish, or throw away food, it’s up to them, I’m sure we all benefit from this. 

    As mentioned before, the towns folk have no idea how farming works.  
    Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor. 

  • Rik56 said:
    I met a vegan once... I only know because he told me he was...
    Haha they always do don’t they 😂
    Surrey
  • Shrinking VioletShrinking Violet Posts: 1,126
    edited November 2019
    OK - so this thread has morphed from the original critique of a programme on the TV to a general discussion about sustainability and our collective way of trying to mitigate the worst practices with reference to meat production.
    Firstly, I would suggest, is that we adopt a Punkdoc approach:  meat a few days a week, a vegetable based day (or two) and fish in between.  
    Just adapting our diets is not rocket science, and is easily achievable.  Farmers in the UK are not compromised, but the long-term benefits are huge.
    So - how to tackle the problems that are (1) America's gluttony and (2) rainforest degradation? 
    Surely we need cross-party, cross-nation, world-agreements to attack the main issues.  Doing nothing is not an option (and by the way I am not an adherent of or a member of Extinction Rebellion.  But they have a point).
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