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Clematis Kokonoe or similar?

NollieNollie Posts: 6,772
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I am debating attempting to grow another clematis, saw this and thought is was lovely. I have had limited success with Warsaw Nike - it did flower well to begin with but gave up in last summer’s heatwave. I appreciate I don’t have the ideal growing conditions, as it gets pretty hot in summer here - late 30s. I see the above has Florida as one of it’s parents and wondered if it may be more tolerant of full sun than some?

I can provide good soil and plenty of food and water but can’t have anything too delicate that would frazzle in the sun.

I am looking for something purple but not tending towards red, a kind of cadbury’s dairy milk wrapper colour or darker.... smaller flowers are OK, but not too rampant, around 2m max and summer flowering. 

Any thoughts? @Richard Hodson your expert opinion would be very helpful or perhaps those in hotter climes can advise?

Thanks.
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
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  • Richard HodsonRichard Hodson Posts: 790
    Never heard of clematis Kokonoe but I guess that the parent you mention, florida, is a rare Chinese species, not Florida ( as in USA ), can we have a bit more info, please ?  Thanks.
  • Silver surferSilver surfer Posts: 4,233
    edited November 2019
    Richard Hodson said:
    Never heard of clematis Kokonoe but I guess that the parent you mention, florida, is a rare Chinese species, not Florida ( as in USA ), can we have a bit more info, please ?  Thanks.
    New one..Plant breeders rights.

    Breeder is  Shigeaki Ochiai from 175 Sada JP - Gose City, Nara  Japan

    Quote RHS......"This new clematis is said to be a cross between a C. florida and C. integrifolia,"

    https://www.plantipp.eu/en/Plants/clematis-kokonoepbr-2/


    https://www.rhsplants.co.uk/plants/_/clematis-kokonoe-pbr/classid.2000033509/

    Perthshire. SCOTLAND .
  • NollieNollie Posts: 6,772
    Hi @Richard Hodson thanks for your reply, yes as Silver Surfer says, it’s a new cultivar. I had read that florida types (like Seiboldii) prefer a sunny spot (on Taylor’s site, I think). But I have no idea what the Integrefolia half contibutes in terms of sun/shade requirements.

    The other one I rather like is Hudson River, another PBR, a diversifolia:

    https://www.promessedefleurs.com/grimpantes/clematites/clematites-par-variete/clematites-diversifolia/clematite-hudson-river-clematis-diversifolia.html

    That seems to be a scrambler rather than a climber, but I could persuade it to scramble up and over a small fence, with a bit of tying in, perhaps. 

    The colour of Jackmanii - the ordinary type, not the superba or purpurea - is also close to what I am looking for in colour, and grows OK in Texas, apparently, so should do OK here. I fear it may be too vigorous for the spot I had in mind, though.

    I have little knowledge or experience of clematis and the more I look the more confused I get!! 
    Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
  • Richard HodsonRichard Hodson Posts: 790
    The Kokonoe looks good, thanks for showing, I have Rising Star from a similar cross, florida Sieboldiana x integrifolia, that is a very good plant, non-climbing.
  • NollieNollie Posts: 6,772
    Beautiful, Richard, thanks, but a bit too pinky red for me, I was hoping to get a deep purple or violet one more toward the blue end of the spectrum that would take my strong sun, but it may be too much to ask!
    Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 28,841
    I'd have thought good old Etoile Violette would do you well.  I had one in my Belgian garden and she never faded in the sun and coped happily with occasional heatwaves tho they were usually huimd rather than dry and she was never short of water.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." - George Bernard Shaw
  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 7,442
    edited November 2019
    I like that Kokonoe clematis very much... I'd like one actually [as I would Rising Star - lovely colour !]... I bet it will do well at Chelsea next May... might even win Best in Show...

    ...perhaps you might like this one @Nollie....  it's darker, and is herbaceous... unlike roses, I do have this positioned inside an obelisk which contains it as it needs support... 
    ...grows to 6 foot for me... blooms continuously from June to October...  I don't recall any problems in last summer's heat...

    https://www.promessedefleurs.com/grimpantes/clematites/clematites-de-a-a-z/clematite-integrifolia-durandii.html
    East Anglia, England
  • Silver surferSilver surfer Posts: 4,233
    Marlorena said:
    ]... I bet it will do well at Chelsea next May... might even win Best in Show...


    Already done well in 2019......

    Awards

    Clematis Kokonoe winner of:
    • Chelsea 2019 shortlisted
    Perthshire. SCOTLAND .
  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 7,442
    lol... I meant 2020... obviously too late...  I'm sorry it didn't win... I didn't like that Hydrangea too much.. 
    East Anglia, England
  • NollieNollie Posts: 6,772
    Thanks @Obelixx, good to know it did ok for you and one to think about in the future - but it’s far too big a beast for my modest border, topping out a good metre or so more than I want.

    @Marlorena, Durandii is lovely and the more modest height would suit. I was thinking of Kokonoe or similar as more a freestanding, scrambling over a low fence kind of thing, but Durandii might br an option for the obelisk I am going to grow Rose de Molinard up, as an alternative to another rose... maybe plant it inside the obelisk with RdM on the outside. I rather like that idea!
    Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
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