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  • FairygirlFairygirl west central ScotlandPosts: 34,264
    Iamweedy said:
    I find that the time that the Beeb spends on the garden shows does not really give the help and advice and  technique that is so good for novices. 

    I think you're right. While 'more mature' gardeners might be able to take a cutting with their eyes shut, because we've seen it a thousand times, new gardeners need that information, and the so called 'flagship show' shouldn't lose sight of that. 
    Endless tours of people's gardens is all very well, and often very pleasant, but doesn't offer much apart from giving people some new ideas for their own plot. Very useful, but not if the plant info isn't there. 
    I suppose because we have online videos and endless info etc available now, perhaps the basic, day to day, type of gardening items are deemed unnecessary?  :/
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....

  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 26,165
    Maybe the BBC would rather just make yet another "cookery" programme or show yet more sport??
  • AnniDAnniD Posts: 6,952
    I know we often hark back to "the good old days" with Geoff Hamilton,  but l'm sure GW had a more practical tone then. Even in the days of Mr Titchmarsh and the short lived reign of Toby Buckland, there seemed to be demonstrations of sowing seeds, taking cuttings,  etc. I know Monty has done that, but there doesn't seem to be so much of the follow up, right through the pricking out, potting on, planting out,  flowering/crop producing, to pulling out. 
    As was previously said above, they show Frances and her new allotment,  but instead of going back at least every other week and showing steady progress (or disaster !), they don't return for weeks.
    If there's an hour to fill, it shouldn't be that difficult to cover subjects that appeal to novice and more expert gardeners.
    There's overkill with jungle style gardens a few weeks ago, then container gardening the other week,  instead of spreading the subject across the series. 
    Adam Frost has an advantage in that he has a fairly new garden that is a work in progress,  whereas Monty is more limited. 
    I wonder if the production team ever look in on here, they could surely get some inspiration from this forum. 
  • ObelixxObelixx Vendée, Western FrancePosts: 21,884
    Clearly not as we get the same old same old and sometimes worse.

    We've been harping on about beginners, follow-up and variety of gardens for years.
    "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." - George Bernard Shaw
  • raisingirlraisingirl East Devon, on the Edge of Exmoor.Posts: 3,894
    It must be a problem of resources. August would be the perfect month to be touring people's gardens and allotments, large and small, when there is less active stuff for Monty/Adam/Frances to be actually doing. And it would seem to be simple to have a series of practical advice from those 3, Monty with a mature garden, Adam with an established one he is reinventing, Frances starting from scratch. But they are all also running about doing visits and other programmes, which is presumably why it goes in fits and starts. 

    I agree, the issue with last week's programme wasn't actually either of the gardens so much as the similarities between them. It's nice to see genuine enthusiasm from amateurs in real size plots, but we also want hear from genuine experts - nursery owners, plant specialists, and these do appear, but in bunches.

    It does feel like no one is taking an editorial overview of the programme and spreading out the types and expertise level per episode, be it one hour or half an hour. 
    “This isn't life in the fast lane, it's life in the oncoming traffic.”
    ― Terry Pratchett
  • Reluctant_GardenerReluctant_Gardener Posts: 281
    edited August 2019
    An hour is all well and good for the busy months when there is bed preparation, sowing, planning, tool maintenance, hard landscaping to do but the height of summer is a respite from activity and most of the tasks based on the time they take up aren't that complex e.g. weeding, watering and thinning, a nip here, a tuck there and some staking. I guess the talent and production crew might want holidays too.

    If you can find Gardening Australia's 30th Anniversary special 1.5 hour programme they show just how much planning, production, scripting, filming  and post-processing into putting together each programme and Australia's weather in areas, therefore gardening calendar is a bit more predictable. 

    Gardening isn't like a sports fixture where it's known a certain activity will take place on a certain date and time, will last a certain period of time and it'll be dome in one take.

    For a magazine style programme like GW they have to pencil in a number of topics while trying to not repeat previous years (though a well-run garden is a series of repetitive annual, quarterly, monthly, weekly etc periodic tasks).

    In the living environment of the garden pests, pathogens happen aand moreover unseasonal weather happens e.g. a wintry spring, a cold summer so those pencilled in topics have to be rescheduled and they then have to scriptwrite at the last minute.
    If the weather is unpredictable as it always has been in the UK it could get a bit like Bandersnatch and they have to film links for a bunch of different contingencies.

    In the post edit they have to patch content together to fit a recognisable format as viewers don't like things to be radically different each week, yet they don't like things too formulaic.

  • Obelixx said:
    You're right @Fairygirl.   Gardening is great therapy and we all have different ideas and tastes about what and how to plant in our own spaces.   

    It is for people who find gardening therapeutic.
    Many people regardless of how skilled they are find gardening a chore, a laborious outside extension of housework.
  • ObelixxObelixx Vendée, Western FrancePosts: 21,884
    I know, which is why GW should be informative and helpful about making the chore easy whilst also inspiring people to have a go and maybe end up enjoying it.  GH and his production team did it.  The early series of Ground Force did it.  

    It can be done with a bit of imagination and still have content for those who are already keen.
    "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." - George Bernard Shaw
  • Logan4Logan4 West MidlandsPosts: 2,305
    edited August 2019
    I know it's probably been said but they make one hour programmes in the busy months. I always record it to watch on a Saturday morning. I'm not interested in other people's gardens but others might. I watch the parts what monty does and I always like to see nigel and Nelly because we have goldies and they're beautiful.
    The Sunday ones are repeats and they didn't used to do that.  Sometimes they have to change the day. If there's sport on they used to not show it at all,we would have to wait until the next Friday.  I know that this has been said and only agreeing with everything and everyone.  :)

    They have to go over things again because there's always new gardeners who are just learning. I've been gardening for a very long time and still can't get the hang of doing cuttings.
  • HouseFinchHouseFinch British Columbia, Canada (Zone 5)Posts: 325
    Did my ears deceive me on the cuttings allotment-growing chocolate cosmos from root...They are self-sterile apparently. Guess I learned something completely unexpected. Too bad, they seemed worth giving a go.
    Also hacked away at my tomatoes as Monty recommended. Decided I had altogether too many of them and pulled 4 out. Hacked away at some of the pumpkin leaves too, and inadvertently lost a nice forming pumpkin in the process. Not a very productive lesson session for me I'm afraid. :#
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