Climbing rose only has foliage at top



  • MarlorenaMarlorena East AngliaPosts: 2,634
    ...sorry.... always best to know the name of the rose and type, which we can see from the photo it's a Climbing Hybrid Tea... in this case 'Mme. Caroline Testout'... not an easy one to train but yes the main framework right and left should be brought down towards the horizontal, and the centre canes shortened well below the height of the structure...

    ...climbing hybrid teas typically have tall lanky growth with straight up laterals.. as clearly shown there...

    ... a rose like this is best shown and grown as they do at Wollerton Old Hall on the house wall ...'s their Instagram shot of it...

    ...pegging roses refers to those grown freestanding in the ground, not on walls... this rose could be used that way if it wasn't on a wall...
  • HexagonHexagon Posts: 959
    This rose is in the ground so I don’t see why pegging can’t be used. Is it because it’s a climber rather than a shrub rose? I was thinking about trying this with my shrub rose which throws up long canes, looping them down and tying into the main plant.
  • MarlorenaMarlorena East AngliaPosts: 2,634
    edited November 2019
    ...yes, because it's a climber... you train these on horizontal wires along the fence or wall, whatever the support it's on... I cannot see any wires on that fence in the photo...

    ...but it would be ridiculous to attempt to peg that rose.. pegging involves inserting a long spike into the soil and bending the lower shoot down and tying it with string to the spike so the shoot is bending down or horizontal to the soil, continuing with the other shoots tying one to the other as they are bent down with the object of producing a fan shape, like a Peacock showing off... this is done with Shrub roses... of the tricks with pegging is to hide what you've actually done...the emerging new foliage will cover the string... although I sometimes use long canes, wooden posts or metal spikes...even leaning against an obelisk is a form of pegging.. but I try to make them blend in..  I like the cheap green metal stakes you can get now... I find they almost disappear amongst the roses.. 

    ...the rose in the picture should have all its laterals - the 2 or 3 foot long shoots coming off and upwards to the main framework -  cut back to a couple of buds, or at least cut back by half, before Spring... and the main framework fan shaped along wires, like a fan shaped apple tree...  not difficult to do but probably a ladder would be needed, and some patience... alternatively, cut the whole lot down and start afresh... or for the very bold, using the notching method to induce shoots from lower down...

    ..or just leave it... it depends how industrious or fussy the gardener wants to be ...we do as little or as much as we please, don't you think?.. 
  • HexagonHexagon Posts: 959
    Notching! I’ll have to watch some videos on that too.

    Is that bolder than cutting the whole thing off because it risks the wounds getting infected and the whole plant dying?
  • MarlorenaMarlorena East AngliaPosts: 2,634
    ...probably not bolder... I don't like cutting a whole rose right down really, unless I really have to, like having fence repairs or somesuch...'s done in spring or summer,.. I wouldn't worry about infections... the risk is that you could cut through the whole stem if clumsy..   it's just making a shallow notch from left to right across the stem right above a bud.... a new shoot may then grow from that bud that otherwise never would... 
  • Our neighbour had an old rose which had to be moved due to an extension,she didnt want it dumped as it belonged to her grandparents,so I said I'd put in in my garden so she could still see it.
    However it had to be cut down to about 4/5 feet, as it looked very much like OP picture. Although it "took"and grew another 3 feet through the summer,it didnt produce any blooms. Is it worth persevering to see what happens next year? I put bone meal and fresh compost with the replanting of it.
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  • MarlorenaMarlorena East AngliaPosts: 2,634
    ....yes I would give it another season and see what happens.... it might surprise you next Spring...
  • Thankyou @ Marlorena.
    The whole truth is an instrument that can only be played by an expert.
  • Hello everyone. I'm amazed that this question generated so many answers, thank you all so much. I have been disappointed however at the negative attack: one reason I don't use social media. I didn't find the first comment suitable (apparently a crime), and the response and sarcasm put me off the forum I must say.  I'm so disappointed that apparently gardening isn't a calm hobby for some, as is it's reputation. 

    After that, there were brilliant replies and video links, and even someone who took the time to make a diagram on my photo, which has all been very helpful. Thank you for those replies, I will indeed be following them and training my rose horizontally. 
  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 22,799
     I don't have room to spread it out horizontally. I think the best thing is to grow a shrub under it next year to cover the bare bit!
    I will indeed be following them and training my rose horizontally. 
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