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True David Austin Roses

VoyagerxpVoyagerxp Posts: 601
I only starting collecting roses last year and i've brought many of mine from the David Austin website. I become a member of a facebook DA fan page and uploaded some pics of my Strawberry Hill and Rhapsody in Blue roses but the Admin removed my post for Rhapsody in Blue saying it isn't a DA rose even though i brought it from them and it is tagged as a DA rose. How would you tell if its a DA rose.



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  • B3B3 Posts: 21,475
    Do you like the roses?
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Central Norfolk UKPosts: 77,409
    There are roses that David Austin bred, but they are not the only roses that the company sells. Maybe that’s the confusion?
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  • VoyagerxpVoyagerxp Posts: 601
    Yes i love them but i just wondered what makes it a DA rose.
  • OmoriOmori North YorkshirePosts: 1,520
    edited June 2019
    As has been mentioned, DA sells many roses which are not DA roses.  They just sell them.  The ones that would be accepted on that site are the ones listed as English Roses:


    If you look at the Rhapsody in Blue rose, it says "Cowlishaw, 2003" - that is the breeder, not DA.

    If you look at Strawberry Hill, it says "DavidᅠAustin, 2006".


  • VoyagerxpVoyagerxp Posts: 601
    Thanks for that, must have missed that on the DA site.
  • Mr. Vine EyeMr. Vine Eye Posts: 2,068
    You can tell because all of the David Austin ones say - English shrub rose or English Rose climber etc. And say - Bred by David Austin

    The others just say rambler, climber, Floribunda etc.
    The roses that aren't their own also have shorter descriptions.

    confusion can come from the fact that not all of their highly recommended ones are their own.

    You can buy those anywhere - I got my Rhapsody in Blue for £6 from my local garden centre.
  • NollieNollie Girona, Catalunya, Northen Spain.Posts: 5,661
    Further confusion perhaps also arises because roses that David Austin bred, are available to buy from non-David Austin rose sellers, so the Dutch site I regularly buy from grew them but didn’t originally breed them!

    There is a drop-down menu saying ‘roses bred by David Austin’ or some such on the DA site if you want to double check.

    Query, aren’t  ‘English Roses’ are also bred by other English-based rose growers, DA doesn’t have a monopoly or trade mark on that description... or do they? 
  • edhelkaedhelka GwyneddPosts: 2,113
    The easiest way how to see it on the DA website is the code above the name of the rose, all DA roses start with aus. These codes are also useful if you want to find a rose internationally and it's sold under different names in different countries.

    Many people are confused and it happens in that Facebook group all the time.
  • FireFire LondonPosts: 14,052
    "The Admin removed my post for Rhapsody in Blue saying it isn't a DA rose "

    That seems harsh.
  • OmoriOmori North YorkshirePosts: 1,520
    I think it has to be done as otherwise it would become a Rose fan page rather than specifically for DA bred roses.  It is confusing though as the DA site does sell many other types of roses so a lot of people are in the same boat of thinking because DA is selling them, they must be DA roses.

    Regarding the term English Roses, that's the term DA used to describe his roses.  Other descriptions used are Austin roses, but the roses themselves (afaik) are not actually their own class of roses.

    In other counties, the term English Roses is often used for any roses bred in the UK (eg, Austin, Harkness).
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