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Rose search - 'Miss Alice'.

Paul NPaul N Posts: 303
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In September we moved house and before the move I potted up a small number of roses, all of which survived the move except for one, Rosa 'Miss Alice', a David Austin HT. It has progressively got weaker and weaker and at a mere 1" high, has not got long for this World. David Austin no longer produces this variety and I've contacted the nurseries listed in the RHS Plant Finder but they no longer have the variety. If I can find someone with this rose, I could try to grow one from a cutting or even try budding it. Help!
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  • AnniDAnniD Posts: 11,170
    This is coming up in a web search  (not through RHS) Have you tried them? 
    http://www.lubera.co.uk/plants/roses/english-roses-from-david-austin/english-floribundas/rose-miss-alice-in-a-large-container?c=84
  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 7,422
    I don't have it, so I'm unable to help out there.. it appears to have disappeared without trace apart from Lubera above, but from what I can see, it's not available this season..  and that sometimes means they won't be offering it again..  hope you find one in due course..  
    ...there used to be a great garden centre at Wych Cross in East Sussex, nr East Grinstead I think.. they used to offer almost every rose under the sun, including Miss Alice, until they got taken over by Wyevale, who promised to carry on with roses, but now I don't know.... but if you're in the area, it might be worth a try, although I'm very doubtful...
    East Anglia, England
  • NollieNollie Posts: 6,762
    Interestingly, David Austin’s American website still lists it, but when you try to click on it nothing happens...





    Maybe you could try American rose suppliers to see if they still have it, or post on an American rose forum to see if anyone could send you a cutting? Sometimes you also find roses discontinued by DA lurking on European rose supplier websites under the codename, for Miss Alice, its ‘Ausjake’.
    Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
  • B3B3 Posts: 24,463
    edited May 2019
    Wych cross was great. I was so disappointed when i found it had been wyvaled. They still had a lot of roses when i went there, but i suspect they were just what was left.
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 7,422
    @B3 … I used to live near Wych Cross and I fell in love with the place... initially they had some 1400 rose varieties all in containers... it was the biggest container rose garden centre in the world... after a few years they had to downsize to about 600... still a lot... but they had a flawed business arrangement... it was run on a Christian ethos which meant they did not open on Sundays... more than once I turned up on a Sunday forgetting they were never open that day... it was never going to work...

    ...so Wyevale bought them out... their cakes were nice too, and a great range of perennials..
    East Anglia, England
  • B3B3 Posts: 24,463
    I was thinking i might have a look on the way to the gc in the ashdown forest -just in case , but perhaps i won't bother. It's so sad  but youve saved me a detour anyway.
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • Paul NPaul N Posts: 303
    Lubera? I shall try tomorrow thanks but once upon a time, David Austen roses where produced under licence by other growers. DA withdrew this agreement a while back, so if they don't have a variety, nobody will. American rose producers? A few years ago I tried to get a Ralph Moore rose 'Polly Sunshine' posted to the UK, but they refused point blank to do so. Now whether it was because they couldn't be bothered or whether it was because of US Customs Regulations, they wouldn't elaborate on it. In the end I got an American friend to buy a bare rooted example and post it to me in the pages of a magazine. It arrived safely, thrived for a year but sadly couldn't make it through the winter even though it was in a greenhouse. Ralph Moore has since died and his collection of roses seem to be with a local museum. BTW 'Miss Alice' is our grand daughter and Polly was our daughter who died aged 24yrs a few years ago. It might seem strange collecting roses by names but we also have 'Lucy' and 'Edward's Rose', more family names.
  • NollieNollie Posts: 6,762
    Paul N said:
    ... once upon a time, David Austen roses where produced under licence by other growers. DA withdrew this agreement a while back, so if they don't have a variety, nobody will. 
    That surprises me, as I buy most of my DA roses from a producer in the Netherlands, who offers a large range of bare root DA roses, including some older, discontinued varieties no longer available from DA. They don't have Miss Alice though.

    Nothing strange about collecting roses for their names, how about Princess Alice? Seems quite a suitable name for a granddaughter!

    http://www.rvroger.co.uk/index.php?linksource=stockitem&parentpagefile=opengroundroses&season=MAIN&webfilename=rosa_princess_alice
    Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
  • Paul NPaul N Posts: 303
    Thank you Nollie, 'Princess Alice' sounds nice. I believe the RV Roger will be at this weekend's Kent Garden Show so will make a point of looking out for them. Lubera, by the way, have no 'Miss Alice' roses but whether they will be producing any in the future required yet another email to them.

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