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  • Thanks - the clematis seems to be thriving at the moment. I will move it if it looks like it’s struggling but tbh it’s a bit of a beast and prob needs some checking 😀. It has been triving in the tub for years, but the bulbs are a new addition so I’ll defo keep an eye. 
    Thanks for the tips, very useful 👍
    i do tend towards laziness when it comes to containers which is a habit I need to change... 
  • I cut the clematis back to about 2ft last autumn and it’s back up to nearly 5ft!
  • RubytooRubytoo Posts: 1,591
    I think the clematis looks like it might be Constance, and yes an atragene, so it does not like to be too wet. As long as it gets some food and water it should be okay for a good few years.
    Apologies and sorry to be disagreeable Fairygirl.
    It is just that I have it and it is one of the clematis suggested for containers by the International clematis society on their website and beginners list :)
    They have a nice article about it.
    I do think many others do better in the ground too.
    After all that, I hope I have not mis identified "her" :D

    And those alliums hope they work out okay for you iamjowilson. They are a lovely choice. I think its a great effort and credit to you trying the lasagne, I can't do it.
  • I expect you are right about the clematis - before I cut it back it was 7ft high and 7ft across strangling a tree behind where the pot used to be placed. I cut it back to move the pot so that it would be easier to contain it’s vigour! I inherited the trough and clematis occupants with the house so I have no info on it. There is another clematis in there which has never done as well so perhaps I’ll move that one elsewhere. Here’s a better pic of the two clems 😍 The crinkley one is the less vigorous of the two. 
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 54,819
    No need to apologise Rubee - I have Constance and it thrives in a very restricted space with minimal moisture, like all the alpina types. I never water mine as it gets enough when it rains here.  ;)
    Seeing the flowers, it certainly looks like that's what you have there, and it does get quite big, although you can just trim back lightly to keep it in the space you want. It doesn't need major pruning except if it needs revived. You've probably done it a favour. I was concerned it was something you had just planted along with the bulbs, as it still had a cane attached. It'll be fine  :)

    Not sure what the other one is - it would be worth trying to move it if it hasn't performed, although it may be tricky to get it out. Wait until you can take the bulbs nearby out without damaging them though, and soak it well first so that you can tease it all apart more easily. 
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....

    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • Thanks for the tips again!! I think I’ll prob wait until autumn to move it? Is that the best time?
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 54,819
    I'd do it before that, as it's easier to see the bulbs if the foliage is still there - but it probably won't matter too much. Whatever you find easier to do. Just take your time with it  :)
    If the other plant is salvageable, you could then pot it up and give it a chance to settle too. Once it's growing/flowering, it's easier to get an ID on it, and decide where to put it.
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....

    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • RubytooRubytoo Posts: 1,591
    edited April 2019
    I only got ours a couple of years ago so it is still in a small pot, so you have confirmed it is a good doer Fairy and I think iamjowilson has done it a favour too.

    The other one might be tricky until it flowers.
    It looks like it could be a more tender one like Moonbeam which is in a group called Forsteri. Though the foliage looks paler than mine (I only just got it recently).

    Others with similar foliage that are popular are Early Sensation,  Avalanche, so cartmanii is another name /section you could look up to see if it fits the leaf form.
    Though I think cartmanii Joe is popular but more alpiney ground cover than climber.
    It will give you some idea to look at.

    Do the leaves look like they are wrapping themselves around the cane?
    Some of the ones I have mentioned are small so won't become a vigorous big climber.

  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 54,819
    Mine was a couple of years old when planted, Ruby, but within a couple of years it was covering the piece of fence it's against. Just about to open all it's buds just now, and usually a few later on. It provides a support for my Etoile Violette too. This was in 2017  :)

    You can seehow small a space it has to grow in, and every year I have to tie or wind in lots of new growth as it plans to take over my neighbour's garage behind the fence  :D
    iamjowilson - if you take a look at one of the specialists clematis growers online [Taylors, Thorncroft and Hawthornes] and check some of the types Ruby mentions - you may get an idea of what you have, but it would certainly be easier once it flowers. There are quite  a lot of varieties which don't grow big, flower early, or in winter, and have a different habit and requirements  to the 'usual' types of clematis we often think of. Herbaceous clematis for example, don't climb as such - they grow as the title suggests :)
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....

    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • RubytooRubytoo Posts: 1,591
    edited April 2019
    That's stunning @Fairygirl, your fence and trellis color set it off nicely too.
    Mine was a little liner from supermarket,  so I am being cautious not potting it on too much until it gets big and strong. If mine ends up half as good as yours, I will be happy.

    Sorry chatting on your allium thread iamjowilson. I would put the little evergreen one in a well draining pot mix and a sheltered spot until you identify it if you wish to keep and care for it.
    Thorncroft have a quite a good clear info page on the cultural conditions for the different types including the Forsteri group.

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