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Papi JoPapi Jo Brittany, France Posts: 3,458
A question for learned botanists... My archivist/scholar brother is asking me to identify the plant displayed as an illumination of this Latin manuscript (dated 1461). It's obviously stylized, but suggestions are welcome.

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  • nutcutletnutcutlet PeterboroughPosts: 26,386
    country of origin might help (if known)
  • Ladybird4Ladybird4 Third rock from the sunPosts: 33,870
    Just a guess - Echinocystis lobata
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  • madpenguinmadpenguin Isle of WightPosts: 2,422
    edited March 2019
    It may have just been made up by the calligrapher.
    All sorts of weird and wonderful things appear in manuscripts!
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  • Papi JoPapi Jo Brittany, France Posts: 3,458
    Country of origin (of the Latin manuscript): France (Vendée). Date: 15th century.
    Yes, it might have been invented by the calligrapher, but maybe after an existing plant in that age and place. Keep trying. Thanks. :)
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  • madpenguinmadpenguin Isle of WightPosts: 2,422
    Is there anything in the text itself that could give a clue.
    Is the book a herbal for instance?
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  • fidgetbonesfidgetbones Posts: 15,872
    They are a bit like sundew (Drosera sp. )leaves with the sticky bits.
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  • ObelixxObelixx Vendée, Western FrancePosts: 27,611
    Good shout LB but, as I understand it, it's from the USA so a bit too late for this manuscript.

    Sundew is definitely a possibility.
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  • JennyJJennyJ DoncasterPosts: 6,131
    There are what look like curly tendrils as well as the fruit/seedpod thingies.  Maybe a very stylised passion fruit? (not sure about the hairy bits on the fruit though).
  • HazybHazyb Posts: 329
    what plants did they use to make ink way back in 1461?

    Some manuscripts used wine and blackthorn in the ink.
  • FlinsterFlinster Posts: 883
    Bit of a stretch but hops? I’d have thought they include a leaf though... perhaps it was the illustrators day off lol!
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