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Planting rose - burying the graft union

Mr. Vine EyeMr. Vine Eye Posts: 2,339
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Hi, I was under the impression that when planting a rose you bury the graft union - so the only parts of the plant you'd see above soil level are the canes.

ive just bought a potted rose and the instructions say to plant it so that it's level with the existing soil line of the plant. Which I get, that's standard. However it's sticking out quite far from the potted soil, the graft is a couple of inches above.

so should I ignore the advice on the pot and plant it the way I described above?


East Yorkshire
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  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 29,158
    edited November 2018
    David Austin recommend burying the graft union - or did last time I bought direct from them - but the RHS says to plant with the graft at soil level as this reduces the risk of dieback disease - https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?PID=191

    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." - George Bernard Shaw
  • BobTheGardenerBobTheGardener Posts: 11,391
    There was a recent thread on this which makes interesting reading and will probably answer your question:
    A trowel in the hand is worth a thousand lost under a bush.
  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 7,908
    edited November 2018
    @Mr. Vine Eye 

    Go by the last line of your post..... ignore other advice, including the RHS...

    ..and while you're about it, remove the little white root coming out from below the graft, in the centre of photo... this will turn into a sucker... and this is why it's always best to bury the graft by a couple of inches... it deters that sort of thing... usually.. as it stops air and light getting to the rootstock...
    East Anglia, England
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 29,158
    Tell that to my Geoff Hamilton!  I've always planted the graft below soil level and this one is the only one that suckers and it's getting worse each year.  I shall probably end up taking cuttings to grow on on their own roots and plant him out somewhere where it doesn't matter if he suckers.  He's in a huge pot so it shouldn't be due to damage.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." - George Bernard Shaw
  • Mr. Vine EyeMr. Vine Eye Posts: 2,339
    Yes Bob, I've been following that thread but hadn't seen anything about planting. Spotted just now on rereading that Marlorena plants here's 1-2 inches below.

    Oh and while I was rereading that @Marlorena has already answered my question.
    thanks for spotting the 'sucker in the making'

    thanks for the link to RHS Obelixx I hadn't seen a suggestion of having it AT soil level.


    The rose is Ghislaine De Felingonde
    East Yorkshire
  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 7,908
    Oh, I'm delighted you got that one, lovely multiflora rambler, and 100 years since it was first introduced.. one of the great ramblers for our gardens, yet easy to manage.. mine still has some blooms on it, it's been non stop all summer..

    You can tell it's multiflora heritage by looking at the stipules.. the part where the leaf stalk joins the main cane, they will be fringed, like little eyelashes.. 

    Funny thing happened this year which I hadn't seen before, maybe due to the heat in June... when the flowers first opened, in early June, they were pink, then overnight they turned orange/yellow, their normal colour...  [there is a pink version of this rose]..

    11th June


    12th June


    ..it loves to ramble... you can do what you like with it, just let it romp if you wish..
    Enjoy your rose, I know it'll do great for you.


    East Anglia, England
  • Mr. Vine EyeMr. Vine Eye Posts: 2,339
    edited November 2018
    Looks lovely @Marlorena - I've seen the colour change photos that you posted at the time. I did a search on the forum for the name of the rose and found that post. Very dramatic change!

    You recommended it on my previous thread.

    I read somewhere, maybe on David Austin's description of it, that it can be anywhere between pale apricot, pink and white. More pale pink in Autumn.

    I've picked it to grow on the opposite side of my extension from the Malvern Hills I've ordered from DA. Have fixed so many vine eyes into the walls the extension looks more like a hedgehog now!

    I thought the pale yellow of Malvern Hills would match nicely with the pale apricot. But still give a little contrast.

    Which clematis is that growing near your Ghislaine?
    East Yorkshire
  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 7,908
    Oh ok... I had a funny feeling I'd posted them before... I can't say I've noticed pale pink in the Autumn, not so far..  it won't be long before all those vine eyes are covered and your handiwork will be well rewarded...
    East Anglia, England
  • Mr. Vine EyeMr. Vine Eye Posts: 2,339
    @Marlorena - looking forward to it! 

    Sorry i I think I was editing my post at the same time that you responded to it.

    Which variety of clematis is that growing near your Ghislaine? At some point when they're established on the wall I'd like to plant a pinky/purple viticella (or similar) clematis to link them together.
    East Yorkshire
  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 7,908
    @Mr. Vine Eye 
    ...that's clematis 'Mme. Julia Correvon'... a viticella, dark purple/red flowering mid-late June onwards... vigorous, group 3, prune to 1 foot in Feb.. very easy..

    Something like this would be nice.. there are lots to choose from in this range..
    All go well with roses of most colours I think..

    'Mme. Julia Correvon'..



    'Etoile Violette'


    'Minuet'...



    You could plant one any time to give you earlier colour, but keep it away from your roses until they are more established, as these clematis will swamp and swallow up smaller roses, until they're big enough to compete... which with the ones you have, won't be long...   do enjoy...
    East Anglia, England
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