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Red rose Guinee?

FireFire Posts: 17,351
Has anyone grown Guinee? I understand the canes are quite stiff and am wanting grow it over an arch. I'm also wondering how dark the red is. I read that it is quite fussy. It's the darkest climber I can find. I have recently put in a Barkarole shrub and love the darkness of it. It is a dark, properly dried blood red that I am going for.

Any experiences shared are welcome. Thanks


  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 29,645
    It is dark and stiff, as you suspect, so not ideal for an arch.  I had one in my last garden but it was wiped out by a -32C frost along with a white clematis.   I replaced the soil and planted a Falstaff which is also a dark red but won't get as big so maybe one either side?
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." - George Bernard Shaw
  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 34,562
    I've grown it in the past in a client's garden . I had it growing up a post on a pergola but it didn't get tall enough to worry about getting over the top.
    I seem to remember it being a little shy of flowering too ( but it was a good few years ago )
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 29,645
    edited September 2018
    Agree about flowering being sporadic but thought that was just mine.  Falstaff is much more willing.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." - George Bernard Shaw
  • JemulaJemula Posts: 185
    I grew it in a very large pot many years ago against a white wall.  It is very stiff growing and probably not great to train over an arch.  It flowered in June and September for me and had a lovely scent. The flowers are so dark that, being a tall climber, it probably needs a light background to stand out.  It got far too ungainly for a pot and didn't really fit in anywhere else in the garden. Funnily enough I replaced it with a Falstaff in a pot against the white wall - much more manageable and very lovely although repeat is not that great for me.  Have you looked at Beales' Highgrove?  I saw it at Pashley Manor Gardens - nice but not much scent.  Incidentally, all those years ago I got Guinee from Woolworths for £1.99! They used to have a good selection of all sorts of plants, including fruit trees, but you had to get in quick after they came into the store and were still fresh and some things were mislabelled. I still have a Hibiscus Blue Chiffon which was labelled as Blue Bird but very happy with it and bought a Blue Bird from somewhere else later.
  • FireFire Posts: 17,351
    Thanks. Falstaff is too packed for me. I'm looking for something looser. Semi-double. Back to the drawing board. Maybe I can put a Guinee somewhere else.
  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 8,347
    My advice is to always go with your heart, if it sings to you, then go for it, and work out the mechanics of training later...

    One thing I'm increasingly tired of are all these landscapers on t.v. .. Chelsea Flower Show ''experts'' telling us ''right plant, right place''..  how boring is this?..... if I'm not passionate about a plant then I don't want it, so I get what excites me, and work the rest out later..

    I expect lots of other people here do similar, I hope so...

    I've never grown 'Guinee'.. 'Dublin Bay'.. or 'Ena Harkness'. they don't excite me especially,... 'Etoile de Hollande'.. 'Alexandre Girault' do, but one has to compromise and work with them, and these types of roses will not please everyone...

    I'm sure you'll love 'Guinee',.. Fire, whichever way you choose to grow it.. providing it sets you alight.. so to speak...[pun]
    East Anglia, England
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