Mystery rose

hiltonpierobon

I am writing to ask if anyone recognizes the rose pictured. It is a small flower, but recurs through the summer. The bush is waist height. I received mine from a professional gardener who took a cutting at his work--a villa in Piemonte, Italy. But neither he nor the owner can give it a name. Much obliged for assistance.  

Dovefromabove

No idea at all ... but it's absolutely gorgeous ... it's too much to hope that it's scented as well I suppose ... 

@Marlorena is our rose expert ... she may recognise it, or know someone who might ... 

My only other idea would be to contact https://www.classicroses.co.uk/ and see if they know it ... 

Jemula

Pretty - a bit like White Wings.

Marlorena

I don't know that one, sorry.... it might be one that has occurred as a chance seedling, or one available locally..  the foliage looks to be close to a species type...  beautiful stamens..

hiltonpierobon

Thank you all. It may have a light scent, hard to distinguish amongst the other roses. I will check out White Wing--though mine is a mite pinker than the photo showed, still very pale. None of my rose experts here in Italy have been able to recognize it. As the owner of the villa often bought plants on his trips to England, we thought to give the UK experts a go. The stamens make it special, and the continuous reflowering has made it a favorite for me. My gardener friend has successfully grown it from cuttings, so it will begin to show up in local gardens. We must invent a name!

ElizaRose

  

Marlorena

@hiltonpierobon I would like to see more photos of this rose taken at different times of the year... Is this a recent photo for instance?  are the flowers always like that? or do they vary in petal count and colour?...  the reason I ask is that I keep coming back to 'Ellen Willmott' for an i.d. but it has a petal count ranging from 4 to 8, and is often flushed more with pink around the edges... I'd also like to see more of the foliage, that one looks to have some magnesium defiency or a touch chlorotic... 

I could show some photos of roses I have that look quite different right now, to what they look like in peak season May/June time... and you wouldn't know they were the same variety... 

hiltonpierobon

Hello Marlorena, This plant is new to my garden. Still in the "nursery" awaiting cooler temperatures to plant it. So I do not know its petal habits. I believe that earlier in the year, when I first saw one in situ, the mature plant had a flush like my (favorite) Sally Holmes...many flowers clustered at the ends of the branches. Now in the August heat, as you say, it looks very differant.
My photo, taken under a brilliant sun was a bit washed out. The petals have more of a pink blush at the borders than it seems from the picture--perhaps also the foliage is overexposed. First, I am going to ask the gardener and the villa owner if the name "Ellen Willmott" sounds familiar. You may have solved the mystery! I will let you know...

Marlorena

Oh ok, thank you... please do let us know if you find out any more about it..

Jemula

@hiltonpierobon  I've been looking through photos taken at Wisley last year, I think your rose may be a Meilland rose The Charlatan?

Marlorena

I think that's a good shout Jemula,.. my reservation about it would be that the foliage on 'The Charlatan' is dark green and glossy, and the flowers are rather larger, and there is more pink in the bud, however, the rose in the photo above could be suffering from lack of nutrients, the foliage is rather ill looking and the blooms are small, which could account for those differences...
In Italy, the rose is known as 'Astronomia', so if it is that one, it may have been bought under that name...